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Re: Nibbana vs. annihilation?

Postby Individual » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:14 pm

Something to add: Nibbana is liberation. :)

If it were extinction, that would not be freedom because action would no longer be possible. If it were something like birth in a heavenly realm above the highest heavens of samsara, it would not be freedom because action would be required; you would have to be a sentient, acting being, subject to the laws that govern that realm.

With total liberation, action is possible but not required. It is liberation without a self to be liberated, neither action nor non-action (action and non-action do not apply). The distinction between annihilation and eternalism seems to develop from self-thinking, thinking in terms of gain and loss.
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Re: Nibbana vs. annihilation?

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:21 pm

5Heaps

It strikes me that you are equating a physical 'particle' with a 'particle' of experiential phenoemena. It is very unwise to confuse the two. Science is about the former, the dhamma is about the latter.

There is a middle path between existence and non existence. Imagine a person believes that everything he sees on tv is real- ie- there are REAL people in the box. Now if someone told him there was NOTHING in the box that would not be true, as he experiences something. Through satipatthana and vipassana it becomes possible to see that there are only pixels lighting up - a meaningless dance at that. Not the riveting soap we thought was going on. Then we let go... This is the MIDDLE path.

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Re: Nibbana vs. annihilation?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:15 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Nibbana vs. annihilation?

Postby Individual » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:22 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby Viscid » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:04 am

When I get parinibbana I'm going on a cruise
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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby Kenshou » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:08 am

I think you're grabbing onto the wrong part of the metaphor.

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby cooran » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:21 am

Hello dhammapal, all,

This booklet by Bhikkhu Pesala will be of interest:

What is Nibbana?
Nibbāna is extremely subtle and hard to describe. It is not a place like heaven or paradise. The Arahants and Buddhas do not “enter” nibbāna when they die. Nibbāna is not annihilation of the self, since the so-called ‘self’ does not exist — though attaining nibbāna entails the annihilation of egoism. It is blissful, but there is no feeling associated with it. In fact, because there is no feeling in nibbāna it is truly peaceful. Only Noble Ones can know what nibbāna is really like, but we can understand fairly well by inference and constant practise of insight meditation.
Read more ......
Contents
Preface

Is cessation Nibbāna?

The Uncaused

Modes of Production

The Bliss of Nibbāna

Description of Nibbāna

The Realisation of Nibbāna

Where is Nibbāna?

How Can One Realise Nibbāna?

Key Points About the Way to Nibbāna

http://www.aimwell.org/Books/Pesala/Nib ... bbana.html

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby Alex123 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:50 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby kirk5a » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:31 pm



The Buddha did NOT say this. Bonus if anyone knows who did.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby kirk5a » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:40 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby ground » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:16 am

It seems to be difficult to leave "cessation" just what the meaning of "cessation" is and not to fabricate it into something else.

Why is this?

Because there is no cessation yet.

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby kirk5a » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:42 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby kirk5a » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:08 pm

"When this nature disintegrates after having been destroyed by discernment, a nature marvelous far above and beyond any conventional reality will appear in full measure. At the same moment, we will see the harm of what is harmful and the benefits of what is beneficial. The awareness of release will appear as dhammo padipo -- the brightness of the Dhamma -- in full radiance, like the sun that, when unobscured by clouds, lets the world receive the full radiance of its light. The result is that the awareness of release appears plainly to the heart of the meditator the moment unawareness has disbanded."
- Venerable Acariya Maha Boowa Ñanasampanno
http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books ... ey_Are.htm
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Nibbana is Freedom Not Extinction

Postby ground » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:43 pm

Wow ... sounds very "tibetan"

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