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How does one's karma produce external events?

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:20 pm

Luke

Don't worry too much about how karma works. The Buddha said that there are something which we as humans cannot understand. One of them is the subject of karma. So my advice is to leave it be.. :smile:

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:35 pm

Hi Luke

Considering the millions of karma we do everyday, half of which maybe good and the other half which maybe bad, how can we say which half the mafioso is enjoying in the current time? :smile:

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:55 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby Paññāsikhara » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:42 am

I recommend checking out the kind of "seed-theory" explanation given by the Sautrantikas, such as in the Kosa of Vasubandhu (or ideally, of Kumaralata and Srilata, but there is almost nothing on this in English).
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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby son of dhamma » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:40 am

It is true that kammic energy is expressed this way.
Kamma is action, or volition. It is what we think, which necessitates a choice because of our ignorance, choice which causes consciousness or a cognizant reflection of what is being experienced, and what is being experienced is what is the "external event". What is being experienced as an external event therefore is only the accumulated differentiation or 'residual potency' of this kamma (intention). Kamma only produces the external event insofar as it causes the experience of the external event.
Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby son of dhamma » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:57 am

Moreover, kamma is not stored in something and taken to the next life. You are acknowledging that there is an absence of an inherent element (soul), but you are thinking as though it must be there between two consecutive lives. The dhamma (ultimate reality) of it is, there isn't anything. At the end of one life, or a series of mental fluctuations, the aggregates (which synthesize experience) breakup. However, the kammic energy of those fluctuations has been transfigured just so, and the residual potency of all that unexpressed volition makes the consciousness just so, and that kamma instantaneously expresses itself with the arising of another being, spawning another life under the according conditions. A successor to the kammic lineage, that's all. His, or hers or its, first instant of consciousness is conditioned by the rebirth-linking consciousness, or the final instant of the predecessor. :group: Beings do not arise for no reason, they arise as a result of kammic energy (volitional potency), and being thus conditioned they continue to produce this kamma.
I hope I was not confusing?
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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby son of dhamma » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:04 am

As for memories, we are merely experiencing a more concentrated awareness, so that our minds can make more connections (intelligence), as opposed to much less intelligent beings such as moon jellyfish :?: , who have such dissipated awareness that they can hardly retain any memory whatsoever. This kammic energy is, as always, expressed physically in the mind-organ because we are conditioned for material existence.
I hope that I am helping with the higher concepts of the Dhamma, my friend. :anjali:
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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:24 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: How does one's karma produce external events?

Postby son of dhamma » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:16 pm

I was only stating the perfectly obvious and observable fact that jellyfish have much more dissipated awareness than we do. Their nervous system is a nerve net, which is more primitive than our central brains. Buddhistically speaking, it is because of their kamma that they are animal beings (of Tiracchana) and thus of limited intelligence; it is because of our kamma that we are human beings (of Manussa) and thus of greater intelligence. The brains and nerve-net are therefore physical expressions of this kamma.
Is that applicable, in your thought?
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Sometimes no Buddhas arise in the world. Sometimes they do. When it happens, it is for the welfare and happiness of men, out of compassion for all creatures. For a long, long time he has been working to become a Buddha. He met other Buddhas along the way. And after his long striving he attains his final life, yet not without showing everyone else how to get there.


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