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Kelwin wrote:That's a very good point. However, could the lineage blessing not guide you there? Or maybe receive those instructions once or twice, not really getting it fully yet, and then practice guru yoga until it all manifests?heart wrote:Any method have to be combined with wisdom. If a method is sufficient or not depends on having received it together with instructions that point directly at the natural state.
Kelwin wrote:Nope, I intended sadhanas like Milarepa, Karma Pakshi, Mikyo Dorje, as mentioned in the original question. But do I understand correctly that you would consider the Guru Yoga in the ngondro as a single sufficient method if one actually did get proper pointing out instructions?heart wrote:A trend in the Kagyu tradition is to give pointing-out after Ngondro or even after Yidam. In that case I have my doubts about Guru Yoga as a single sufficient method, if it was the Guru Yoga in the Ngondro that was intended in your question.
This is not a shortcoming of guru yoga, but a misunderstanding of the "how" and the "what" of the practice. If you practice guru yoga like this then you are practicing it wrongly. Go see your teacher and ask them how it should be practiced.Andrew108 wrote:You the watcher creating the visualization of the guru or so on as 'idealized' other. Not sure practicing like this leads anywhere except frustration.