Namdrol wrote: deepbluehum wrote:
Namdrol wrote:This is the flaw of tregchö.
Thregcho and togal are inseparable. I feel this notion of a flaw, no two truths and such comes from thinking thregcho is its own path and togal is something different.
Yes, of course, in a real sense there is no tregchö without thogal and vice verse; but nevertheless, Longchenpa devotes many pages to criticizing tregchơ in comparison with thögal.
The "no two truths" thing comes form my master, ChNN. But also in it is stated the same in the Dzogchen tantras.
Yes. I think the flaw comes from treating thregcho as a path. It's not so much a flaw if one wants to practice like that, of course it's beneficial. But one will not realize the true meaning of exhaustion of phenomena without togal or some other practice with special treatment of the subtle aspects of the channels and bindu.
BTW, as fascinating and l33t as togal is, it's pretty difficult, as in super difficult. The postures are awkward. I think very few people will make to the final phase. Pranayama methods are a lot easier, and can be a lot more comfortable and easier on the eyes.
No two truths is part of the Dzogchen direct approach, bypassing intellectual arbitration and go straight into the experience. From the standpoint of direct perception, there is only one truth. But consider the consequence...
What it implies is that even avidya is vidya, and the Kagyu masters are vindicated once again. I see all this as a loop.