Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Astus wrote:Perhaps the "United Federation of Planets" could be counted among ethical governments, mainly because it is fictional. Another similar idea is the Wheel-Turning King of the golden era - whose heirs inevitably become corrupt by the time. I suppose there is also ethical government in divine societies like the heaven of the brahmas. As for Planet Earth, the Saha Loka, in the present era I can hardly imagine that. I mean, there clould have been wonderful governments in a land of peace and prosperity. Maybe there are some. Until some bigger tribe, bigger nation came and conquered the land, enslaved the population and moved in their own sons and daughters to rule.
By the way, it wasn't clear what ethics should be used to define ethical governments. Plato? Macchiavelli? Confucius? Cicero?
Astus wrote:By the way, it wasn't clear what ethics should be used to define ethical governments. Plato? Macchiavelli? Confucius? Cicero?
Luke wrote:The Dharma is the ultimate ethical standard, but we could start with my very simple ethical standards which might be more easily satisfied:
1) The nation never attacked another nation and only engaged in defensive military actions.
2) The nation's government was truly concerned with the welfare of all its citizens and actually put into action policies which significantly benefited them (including the poor).
3) The nation had a small degree of economic inequality. (There have always been richer and poorer people, but I mean a society where this wasn't so grotesquely exaggerated the way it is in the US, Russia, or China where the poor people are as poor as dirt and the rich people are rich beyond all imagination.)
catmoon wrote:An ethical government could only arise from an ethical population, and such a population would need no government at all.
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