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Postby Sobeh » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:12 pm

"something endures unchanged for at least a certain interval"

Samadhi Sutta (AN 4.41):
"And what is the development of concentration that, when developed & pursued, leads to mindfulness & alertness? There is the case where feelings are known to the monk as they arise, known as they persist, known as they subside. Perceptions are known to him as they arise, known as they persist, known as they subside. Thoughts are known to him as they arise, known as they persist, known as they subside. This is the development of concentration that, when developed & pursued, leads to mindfulness & alertness."

I fail to see why this concept is causing you so much consternation, Tilt.

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby BlackBird » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:13 pm

Here's another can of worms that I've been trying to avoid - Nama rupa is not seen as a 'mind body process' by the Nyanavarians (for want of a better term). Nama-rupa is the 'experience', it is what we 'experience' as opposed to an objective conception of a dualistic mind and body (which inevitably lumps in consciousness under Nama, something we are both aware the Buddha never did.) Therefore it's quite illegitimate to try and place what Ven. Nyanavira is saying within an orthodox concept-box. However it is perfectly reasonable that you did so, since not I nor anyone else had thus far brought this to your attention.
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Postby Kenshou » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:29 pm

Blackbird-

I don't recall namarupa being considered "an objective conception of a dualistic mind and body", somehow excluding experience, by anyone. Maybe my ignorance of the orthodoxy is showing, I don't know.

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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