Amitabha Buddha

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Tenso » Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:39 am

Namdrol wrote:
Yes, those instructions are provided for Dzogchen practitioners of the most average caliber so that they can acheive full awakening by taking rebirth in each of the pure nirmanakāya buddhafields for a period of one hundred years each, and attain full awakening within five hundred years, never returning to samsara. This result is attained by doing rushan, actually.
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Why is it not possible to reach full awakening in only one Buddhafield?

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Malcolm » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:03 pm

Nighthawk wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Yes, those instructions are provided for Dzogchen practitioners of the most average caliber so that they can acheive full awakening by taking rebirth in each of the pure nirmanakāya buddhafields for a period of one hundred years each, and attain full awakening within five hundred years, never returning to samsara. This result is attained by doing rushan, actually.
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Why is it not possible to reach full awakening in only one Buddhafield?



Each of the five pure nirmanakāya buddhafields corresponds to and is an external expression of one of the five wisdoms. For example, Sukhavati is an expression of purified desire i.e. the individually-discriminating wisdom.
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Tenso » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:21 am

Namdrol wrote:
Each of the five pure nirmanakāya buddhafields corresponds to and is an external expression of one of the five wisdoms. For example, Sukhavati is an expression of purified desire i.e. the individually-discriminating wisdom.


Are there any other types of practices suited for practitioners of low capacity that result in full Buddhahood in lesser time?

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby LastLegend » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:53 am

Years are in human understanding. It is really in one life time which means it will be your last rebirth.
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:04 am

Nighthawk wrote:Are there any other types of practices suited for practitioners of low capacity that result in full Buddhahood in lesser time?
You are under the impression that time is a factor in the Pure Lands? In Dewachen even the word "suffering" does not exist so of what relevance is time there?
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Tenso » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:22 am

You two are absolutely correct. The Pure Land is a whole new dimension of existence completely unrelated to samsara. It seems like my deluded ignorant monkey mind will never truly understand the Pure Land until I get there.

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:18 am

How would the Pure Land of Heruka and Vajrayogini fit into the pattern ?

In this HYT system, 'Buddhahood' is attained through Inner Dakini Land and the Union of No More Learning, the union of the ultimate illusory body and ulitmate meaning of clear light. Would this equate to a Dzogchen practise with transmissions that does not require Amitabha or a need to learn in each Pure Land as described hitherto?
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Tenso » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:00 am

Blue Garuda wrote:How would the Pure Land of Heruka and Vajrayogini fit into the pattern ?

In this HYT system, 'Buddhahood' is attained through Inner Dakini Land and the Union of No More Learning, the union of the ultimate illusory body and ulitmate meaning of clear light. Would this equate to a Dzogchen practise with transmissions that does not require Amitabha or a need to learn in each Pure Land as described hitherto?


No, not at all. Isn't this very difficult to do though? Why is Dzogchen considered to be a teaching for all capacities?

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby heart » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:07 am

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Blue Garuda wrote:How would the Pure Land of Heruka and Vajrayogini fit into the pattern ?

In this HYT system, 'Buddhahood' is attained through Inner Dakini Land and the Union of No More Learning, the union of the ultimate illusory body and ulitmate meaning of clear light. Would this equate to a Dzogchen practise with transmissions that does not require Amitabha or a need to learn in each Pure Land as described hitherto?


No, not at all. Isn't this very difficult to do though? Why is Dzogchen considered to be a teaching for all capacities?


It is a teaching for all capacities only in a very general sense. What we normally refer to as Dzogchen are only for those of the greatest capacity. It is all in the Yeshe Lama.

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That long will you not recognize the view of the innermost secret heart-essence."

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Tenso » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:55 am

Thanks for the clarification. That's the way I've always seen it. An elite club for the high capacity.

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:19 am

Nighthawk wrote:Thanks for the clarification. That's the way I've always seen it. An elite club for the high capacity.


I would rather view Dzogchen as a teaching and approach that is eminently useful and beneficial for those able to make use of it. And one's capacity is not necessarily set in stone. There is the possibility of increasing one's capacity if one is both interested and dedicated enough.

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:22 pm

Nighthawk wrote:Thanks for the clarification. That's the way I've always seen it. An elite club for the high capacity.
Isn't it great to be (allowed) in the company of such high capacity folk!? :tongue:
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Mr. G » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:36 pm

Nighthawk wrote:Thanks for the clarification. That's the way I've always seen it. An elite club for the high capacity.


Namdrol clarifies the idea of capacity here:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4002&p=38072#p38072

Capacity depends on personal interest and diligence -- nothing more.
    How foolish you are,
    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby muni » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:53 pm

Mr. G wrote:
Nighthawk wrote:Thanks for the clarification. That's the way I've always seen it. An elite club for the high capacity.


Namdrol clarifies the idea of capacity here:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4002&p=38072#p38072

Capacity depends on personal interest and diligence -- nothing more.


Diligent, how?
Projecting onto others is projecting onto projections. The answer lies in us, not in the other.

Don’t investigate the root of things,
Investigate the root of Mind!
Once the mind’s root has been found,
You’ll know one thing, yet all is thereby freed.
But if the root of Mind you fail to find,
You will know everything but nothing
understand. Guru Rinpoche.

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Sherab Dorje » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:00 pm

Well there goes that theory! :rolling:
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Dechen Norbu » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:02 pm

Don't be mean Greg! Image

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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Mr. G » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:35 pm

muni wrote:
Mr. G wrote:
Nighthawk wrote:Thanks for the clarification. That's the way I've always seen it. An elite club for the high capacity.


Namdrol clarifies the idea of capacity here:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4002&p=38072#p38072

Capacity depends on personal interest and diligence -- nothing more.


Diligent, how?


I imagine common sense would say that diligence refers to actually taking the time to practice in a qualitative manner.
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    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Sönam » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:21 pm

Mr. G wrote:
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Diligent, how?


I imagine common sense would say that diligence refers to actually taking the time to practice in a qualitative manner.


not to be lazy ...

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By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby Malcolm » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:51 pm

Mr. G wrote:
Nighthawk wrote:Thanks for the clarification. That's the way I've always seen it. An elite club for the high capacity.


Namdrol clarifies the idea of capacity here:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4002&p=38072#p38072

Capacity depends on personal interest and diligence -- nothing more.


Diligence means you concretely apply what you were interested to learn.
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Re: Amitabha Buddha

Postby NIRMAL2 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:31 pm

Diligence, the path to Enlightenment.No 'off-days' in practice.


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