The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby cloudburst » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:33 pm

Namdrol wrote:
It is very clear -- some people like Chogyam and his trip; other people think it is bullshit. So, nothing has changed. Some people like Dzogchen, other people think it is bullshit. Some people like Mahamudra, other people think it is bullshit. Some people like Gelug, other people think it is bullshit. Some people like Lamdre, other people think it is bullshit.Some people like gzhan stong, other people think it is bullshit. Some people like Tibetan Buddhism, other people think it is bullshit. Some people like Zen, other people think it is bullshit. Some people like Buddhism, other people think it is bullshit.

So, we have gone nowhere further than discovering some people like Chogyam and his trip, and other people think it is bullshit.

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But we are having fun.

If you are not having fun, or do not like the discussion for another reason, there is no reason you should be forced to read it.
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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Malcolm » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:34 pm

cloudburst wrote:But we are having fun.


Strange idea of fun -- recycling endless borning conversations on the internet.
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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby cloudburst » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:41 pm

Namdrol wrote:
cloudburst wrote:But we are having fun.


Strange idea of fun -- recycling endless borning conversations on the internet.



No need to judge others' fun, if you are not enjoying just move on.
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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Mr. G » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:49 pm

I think this thread has served it's purpose and both parties have addressed the points put to them. We should all be minimizing our Dharma gossip and get on with our practice, whichever practice we have chosen to undertake.

The thread is locked for the time being.
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Dronma » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:20 pm

Years ago, I had read the book: "Dangerous Friend, The Teacher-Student Relationship in Vajrayana Buddhism" by Rigdzin Dorje, Shambhala publications.
I think it can be a useful guide for new people.

An excerpt from the back-cover of the book:

"Although Tibetan Buddhism continues to grow in popularity, the crucial relationship between teacher and student remains largely misunderstood. Dangerous Friend offers an in-depth exploration of this mysterious and complex bond, a relationship of paramount importance in Tibetan Buddhist practice.

According to Tibetan Buddhist tradition, the student must have complete trust in the teacher (the "dangerous friend") if he or she is to achieve any understanding. It is the teacher's responsibility to uphold the integrity of the tradition, the basis of which is compassion for all beings, by transmitting it properly to an appropriate student. Likewise, it is the student's responsibility to meet the challenge of carrying on the lineage of teachings. By entering such a relationship, both teacher and student accept the burden of protecting those teachings by understanding them completely and correctly, by practicing them fully and faultlessly, and by transmitting them without omission.

Dangerous Friend includes discussions of the following topics:

• Meeting and recognizing an appropriate teacher.
• Understanding the gravity of entering the teacher-student relationship.
• Shifting one's approach from spiritual materialism to genuine Buddhist practice.
• Accepting the challenge of being truly kind, honest, and courageous."
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Jikan » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:02 am

Dronma wrote:Years ago, I had read the book: "Dangerous Friend, The Teacher-Student Relationship in Vajrayana Buddhism" by Rigdzin Dorje, Shambhala publications.
I think it can be a useful guide for new people.


Would have ben good if Mr Dorje had taken his own advice in choosing his teacher. here he is in costume

http://arobuddhism.org/lamas/ngala-rigdzin-dorje.html
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Josef » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:14 am

Jikan wrote:
Dronma wrote:Years ago, I had read the book: "Dangerous Friend, The Teacher-Student Relationship in Vajrayana Buddhism" by Rigdzin Dorje, Shambhala publications.
I think it can be a useful guide for new people.


Would have ben good if Mr Dorje had taken his own advice in choosing his teacher. here he is in costume

http://arobuddhism.org/lamas/ngala-rigdzin-dorje.html

Those Aro folks are some of the kookiest around.
It's actually pretty embarrassing.
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Dronma » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:24 am

Jikan wrote:
Dronma wrote:Years ago, I had read the book: "Dangerous Friend, The Teacher-Student Relationship in Vajrayana Buddhism" by Rigdzin Dorje, Shambhala publications.
I think it can be a useful guide for new people.


Would have ben good if Mr Dorje had taken his own advice in choosing his teacher. here he is in costume

http://arobuddhism.org/lamas/ngala-rigdzin-dorje.html



Yes, I know Aro gTér website since many years ago. They have uploaded some interesting information there.
Costumes are irrelevant.... What that has to do with the validity of what he is writing in that book? :shrug:
PS. I am not a follower of Aro lineage, but I am not opponent either. ;)
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Josef » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:29 am

Dronma wrote:
Jikan wrote:
Dronma wrote:Years ago, I had read the book: "Dangerous Friend, The Teacher-Student Relationship in Vajrayana Buddhism" by Rigdzin Dorje, Shambhala publications.
I think it can be a useful guide for new people.


Would have ben good if Mr Dorje had taken his own advice in choosing his teacher. here he is in costume

http://arobuddhism.org/lamas/ngala-rigdzin-dorje.html



Yes, I know Aro gTér website since many years ago. They have uploaded some interesting information there.
Costumes are irrelevant.... What that has to do with the validity of what he is writing in that book? :shrug:
PS. I am not a follower of Aro lineage, but I am not opponent either. ;)

The whole thing is made up.
It's a fake lineage.
They arent even mangoes.
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Dronma » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:37 am

Nangwa wrote:The whole thing is made up.
It's a fake lineage.
They arent even mangoes.


Maybe.
But the book is interesting and is giving much information about the relationship between teacher and student!
Reading a book does not mean that we have to bow down to the writer and accept him/her as our spiritual teacher.... ;)
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Josef » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:42 am

Dronma wrote:
Nangwa wrote:The whole thing is made up.
It's a fake lineage.
They arent even mangoes.


Maybe.
But the book is interesting and is giving many information about the relationship between teacher and student!
Reading a book does not mean that we have to bow down to the writer and accept him/her as our spiritual teacher.... ;)


True.
Buying the book does however in a circuitous way offer financial support to someone who buys their groceries through the intentional deception of sentient beings for profit.
Not that this is at all your fault, they are just creeps for doing what they do.
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Dronma » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:53 am

Nangwa wrote:
Dronma wrote:
Nangwa wrote:The whole thing is made up.
It's a fake lineage.
They arent even mangoes.


Maybe.
But the book is interesting and is giving many information about the relationship between teacher and student!
Reading a book does not mean that we have to bow down to the writer and accept him/her as our spiritual teacher.... ;)


True.
Buying the book does however in a circuitous way offer financial support to someone who buys their groceries through the intentional deception of sentient beings for profit.
Not that this is at all your fault, they are just creeps for doing what they do.


I did not even "buy" that book..... :tongue:
But this is out of topic anyway.... :lol:
In any case, I did not introduce Rigdzin Dorje as a qualified guru here, and it is not necessary someone to be qualified guru for writing a good book. Isn't it? ;)
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Josef » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:59 am

Dronma wrote:
I did not even "buy" that book..... :tongue:
But this is out of topic anyway.... :lol:
In any case, I did not introduce Rigdzin Dorje as a qualified guru here, and it is not necessary someone to be qualified guru for writing a good book. Isn't it? ;)

It is definitely off topic.
No more discussion of the Aro weirdos from me unless its on topic.
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:21 pm

Jikan wrote:Would have ben good if Mr Dorje had taken his own advice in choosing his teacher. here he is in costume

http://arobuddhism.org/lamas/ngala-rigdzin-dorje.html
From the site you linked:
Tsal’gyür Wangmo trained in classical ballet for very many years, and then had a long career in film and television, specialising in the field of period costume.
Now I know the inspiration for the get ups:
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Jikan » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:27 pm

I'm sorry to continue with the off-topic comments, but to clarify: I was referring to the cowboy look. I've spent a significant part of my life in the rural American West. There's nothing more ridiculous than fake cowboy gear. Can it possibly look anything other than ridiculous in Europe, on Europeans with notably poor posture for people who profess to teach any kind of meditation?

a question for another thread.

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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:46 pm

Jikan wrote:... but to clarify: I was referring to the cowboy look.
So you are okay with overly flamboyant pseudo-Tibetan religious garb on Westerners then? ;)
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby ngodrup » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:30 pm

So now we discus fashion?
Who here is more flamboyant then David Bowie?
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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Jikan » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:37 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:
Jikan wrote:... but to clarify: I was referring to the cowboy look.
So you are okay with overly flamboyant pseudo-Tibetan religious garb on Westerners then? ;)


I don't wear it myself, if that's what you're asking. I only play dress-up when I'm asked to do so by my teacher.

ngodrup wrote:So now we discus fashion?
Who here is more flamboyant then David Bowie?


is David Bowie a Dzogchenpa? (I haven't squeezed his produce to find out)

again...

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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby Sönam » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:37 pm

Jikan wrote:
is David Bowie a Dzogchenpa? (I haven't squeezed his produce to find out)


Some kind ... but he does ignore it! :tongue:

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Re: How are teachers like Mangos?

Postby asunthatneversets » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:09 pm

Jikan wrote:
is David Bowie a Dzogchenpa? (I haven't squeezed his produce to find out)

again...

:focus:


Could be! He gets down with the crystal ball... :tongue:


And as for the produce, if you watch the rest of that movie his fancy pants are practically painted on, it's like a veritable produce preview extraordinaire... terrifying.
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