What creates the illusion of time?

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby White Lotus » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:31 pm

time is perceived, however really only the moment can be grasped. and on further analysis the moment is emptiness. it can be fleetingly grasped as such. the feeling within the nondual experience is the flowing moment, the ''presence'' of dzogchen is seen to be the same as the ever present moment. nature and moment, presence and emptiness are all one and even that one is not. nor is it not.

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby wisdomfire » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:15 am

Thanks for the answers. I think i can roughly understand intellectually what 'timelessness' seems to be now. 'Past' and 'Future' seems to be irrelevant, because when we try to experience them, there is no such thing, only what is being experienced directly instantly.

When the construct of time dissolves, what is 'impermanence'? Or is it merely a characteristic of relative truth? :thanks:

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby Sönam » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:48 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby White Lotus » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:39 pm

sonam, i am sorry to disagree... if you are able to apprehend presence, you are able to apprehend the moment. they are one. this computer is the moment... you can apprehend it.

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in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby Sönam » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:55 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby Dronma » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:02 pm

"My view is as vast as the sky, but my actions are finer than flour"
~ Padmasambhava ~

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby Sönam » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:12 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby florin » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:20 pm

"Bow down to me for I thirst for an infinite ocean of blood, since the innumerable torrents of floods at kalpa's end that terrify all world systems do not even wet the tip of my tongue"

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby Dronma » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:40 pm

"My view is as vast as the sky, but my actions are finer than flour"
~ Padmasambhava ~

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby White Lotus » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:58 pm

you are the present moment. hard to grasp? not really, body is with you all the time. this is the oneness or non duality of moment and person... all the same, all one. you will know what i am saying if you see the dharma nature clearly.

best wishes, Tom.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby Sönam » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:19 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby Dronma » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:31 pm

"My view is as vast as the sky, but my actions are finer than flour"
~ Padmasambhava ~

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby White Lotus » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:24 pm

having a nice day, the sun is just shining.

best wishes, Tom.

(some of us dont have a watch, but we do have access to a computer!).
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby LastLegend » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:03 pm

If things are impermanent, that means time exists to reinforce it?
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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby seeker242 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:13 pm

One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby LastLegend » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:21 am

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby Sönam » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:08 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: What creates the illusion of time?

Postby LastLegend » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:34 am

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―


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