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Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby adosa » Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:48 pm

Mettafuture,

Is there nothing that you crave or cling to, and then act on? It's the same with others. Haven't you observed this with your mind? They (we) sometimes turn to things we shouldn't because of past habits leading to craving leading to becoming. Personally I struggle with it sometimes as dukkha can become too much at times and I would rather socialize with friends for a break. What's so hard to understand about that? Is it right? No. Am I making an excuse for it?.....well you'll ultimately be the judge it seems.

Maybe you are more wholesome than I am. I really don't care. A very wise man once said something to the effect....."It's not what they have or haven't done, it's what you have or haven't done."

Maybe this sutta will make my point. Read it, please and it may help your progress.




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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby PeterB » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:31 pm

As I am sure Adosa knows the " very wise man" was the Buddha himself..Dhammapada 4 7....who said " What others do or do not do is not my concern ..what I myself do and do not do, that is my concern ".

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby bodom » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:12 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:37 pm

Constantly repeating that you dont get it suggests that in fact you ARE forming a judgement of other peoples behaviour. Why SHOULD you "get it " ? How is it your business what others do ?
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:53 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:26 pm

You can ask until you are blue in the face if that seems useful to you. Exactly what do you expect by way of a reply ? On a Buddhist website a detailed description of the delights of alcohol ? Why not go to a Vegetarian website and repreatedly ask why people eat pork chops ? Probably very few people who post on this forum drink much at all...many not at all. Exactly what are you wanting ? To have teetotal or semi teetotal people explain to you why people drink...does that seem rational to you ?
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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sobeh » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:53 pm

Not the faults of others, nor what others have done or left undone, but one's own deeds, done and left undone, should one consider.

~Dhammapada -verse 50- (Pupphavagga - Flowers)

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby adosa » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:04 pm

"To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas" - Dhammapada 183

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:22 pm

I give up.
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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:41 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Kim OHara » Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:42 am

I'm glad Ben gave you that answer because otherwise I was going to have to. :smile:

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Upasampadā: 4 December, 2001

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:08 am

Nice post, Bhante!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby bazzaman » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:57 am

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