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 Post subject: Lungta
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:12 pm 
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hi all,

need some tips and trics what to do to raise the lungta (or what to avoid)! it seems i am going down with everything =D

also i tried to understand the concept of Lungta relying on materials i've managed to find but still i have very vague idea so if you know any helpful materials, books in english it would be very appreciated.

thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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rai wrote:
hi all,

need some tips and trics what to do to raise the lungta (or what to avoid)! it seems i am going down with everything =D

also i tried to understand the concept of Lungta relying on materials i've managed to find but still i have very vague idea so if you know any helpful materials, books in english it would be very appreciated.

thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:25 pm 
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http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Lungta

http://mangalashribhuti.cleverspin.com/ ... alha-1.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-nic ... 28769.html

What I was told was additonally to do Sang and hang Prayer Flags, was also to wear clean and dignified clothes and also to keep ones place clean, especially ones kitchen

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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thanks for all the hints!

I read some parts of Chogyam Trungpa "Shambhala - The Sacred Path of the Warrior" and "Smile at Fear". CTR talk about raising the windhorse more as invoking outer and inner "dralas", being uplifted, joyfull, without doubt etc. Is he talking about the same concept or about something else?

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:34 pm 
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rai wrote:
thanks for all the hints!

I read some parts of Chogyam Trungpa "Shambhala - The Sacred Path of the Warrior" and "Smile at Fear". CTR talk about raising the windhorse more as invoking outer and inner "dralas", being uplifted, joyfull, without doubt etc. Is he talking about the same concept or about something else?


He put his own spin on the concepts of lungta and drala and werma, to the extent that it may not seem to jibe with the traditional versions. Certainly the practices that are taught in Shambhala Training for raising lungta seem to be of his own devising. I'm not sure you would encounter them anywhere else.


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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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Greg wrote:
rai wrote:
thanks for all the hints!

I read some parts of Chogyam Trungpa "Shambhala - The Sacred Path of the Warrior" and "Smile at Fear". CTR talk about raising the windhorse more as invoking outer and inner "dralas", being uplifted, joyfull, without doubt etc. Is he talking about the same concept or about something else?


He put his own spin on the concepts of lungta and drala and werma, to the extent that it may not seem to jibe with the traditional versions. Certainly the practices that are taught in Shambhala Training for raising lungta seem to be of his own devising. I'm not sure you would encounter them anywhere else.


thanks greg, is it possible to find more traditional explanations in english?

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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rai wrote:
Greg wrote:
rai wrote:
thanks for all the hints!

I read some parts of Chogyam Trungpa "Shambhala - The Sacred Path of the Warrior" and "Smile at Fear". CTR talk about raising the windhorse more as invoking outer and inner "dralas", being uplifted, joyfull, without doubt etc. Is he talking about the same concept or about something else?


He put his own spin on the concepts of lungta and drala and werma, to the extent that it may not seem to jibe with the traditional versions. Certainly the practices that are taught in Shambhala Training for raising lungta seem to be of his own devising. I'm not sure you would encounter them anywhere else.


thanks greg, is it possible to find more traditional explanations in english?


I would start here if you haven't already:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lungta

The article is not bad and has references that should be helpful, especially Karmay's book (though you should note that it is somewhat academic).

Also this article:

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Drala

References Namkhai Norbu's Drung De'u and Bön, which also seems to have some information.

Often it can be helpful with stuff such as this to ascertain the full, proper transliteration (for drala, say, it can be "dgra bla" "sgra bla" and/or "dgra lha") and google that.

This explanation of Stein's is interesting (http://books.google.com/books?id=U7j758 ... la&f=false) but I don't know how reliable it is, perhaps Namdrol can tell you.


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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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When authenticating Lungta, how exactly do we use water for the rite?


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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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Lhug-Pa wrote:
When authenticating Lungta, how exactly do we use water for the rite?


What is this in reference to?


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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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All I know is that water is involved in the rite, but don't know how; and the Dzogchen Community Thun book doesn't explain and I don't think that the Tun DVD does either (I should double check). Maybe Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche refers to it in some detail in the Namkha book....


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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:50 pm 
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There is also a spcific lungta practice.

Why don't you go ask your teacher for details of the practice?
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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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Because since he has many many students, I'd rather first see if someone who posts here regularly and knows the answer wouldn't mind answering.

Like I said, the rite is in the Tun book but doesn't explain how the water is applied, so I should check the Thun DVD again.

Anyhow, you're right in that I should try to have a good talk with my Teacher soon, albeit not for only asking about Lungta. :anjali:


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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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The Ritual Melodies CD has Namkha but not Lungta... Is the latter's melody the same as the former's?


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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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The lungta practice I am refering to is not a Dzogchen practice and is not on any cd or in any book by ChNN.
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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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Then in that case there might be an explanation of the standard use of water for Lungta practices found in one of the following texts for example:

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/topics/riwo-sangcho

And if not, then perhaps here:

http://shangshung.org/store/index.php?m ... cts_id=272

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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Lhug-Pa wrote:
Then in that case there might be an explanation of the standard use of water for Lungta practices found in one of the following texts for example:

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/topics/riwo-sangcho

:anjali:


In our system, you use an evergreen branch and with it sprinkle water on the flags to purify them.

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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Thank you once again Namdrol.

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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Is the Three Whites and Sweets and different woods and so forth required for Sang? Or is just incense okay?

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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Konchog1 wrote:
Is the Three Whites and Sweets and different woods and so forth required for Sang? Or is just incense okay?



Just incense is ok. If you have opportunity to do more, than it is better.

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 Post subject: Re: Lungta
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I've learned that Sang incense should generally include three or five ingredients. Cypress and Juniper for sure, and in fact I think that just Cypress and/or Juniper would be fine. Since I'm not allowed to burn incense where I live, I diffuse a blend of three essential oils.


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