gregkavarnos wrote: In modern times all cultures have been debased and degraded,..... So looking at what a cultural group does now, is not so indicative of what they did before.
Sure. We are a deep and spiritual well spring of ancient wisdom. More special than regular people. That's what I love about oral histories. Easy to update.
My personal experience is that the updated version of the "noble savage" is being created by a mixture of projection and collusion by some revisionist natives who want to portray us in a more flattering light. Sure their were spiritually advanced elders. But their proportions and influence on tribal society is not really much different from today. There were the same proportion of jerks then as now. The jerks were attracted to power, power fueled their innate corruption and things were generally pretty crappy for regular people. That is the oral histories I have been given.
I'm sure it sounds much better in books. I did hang out with the Sioux and some other tribes whose names don't appear in any books. Their wasn't good spiritual instruction unless you went on a long hard search for it.
I have been known to idolize Socrates and Pythagoras. I do think Greek culture has had a monumental decline. But in reality I can't really say. I can say a few things from from living over here and what I have experienced on the rez. Don't believe everything you read about how great tribal culture was as much of that information has been fabricated. I hope I don't get kicked out of the club for telling you the secret.