What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:02 pm

What the young man said is true. Everything is illusion.

If we see the magician display the tiger and the tiger is running towards us, we may be very scared.

But, once we know it is just a magical display, where there is an appearance of tiger but no tiger inside, you will not scared at all.

People then think how if I face the real tiger and that tiger running towards me? Even I thought that tiger is not real, that tiger still kill me. It is real, isn't it?

Why everything is illusion????????

It is because we grasp into this I so strongly, something which is without reality or concreteness, becoming so real and so concrete.

If we are ready to die, because we know exactly we actually cannot die and we always continue, you will realize this life is illusion.

Put your position in the reality this body can die, but you cannot die. We cannot die because there is no self that can be destroyed. Our lives has continued since beginningless time. This continuity will continue without any end.

If you put your position in this point of view, you will see everything is illusion.

Happening, but nothing is concrete or nothing has substance, exactly same with illusion.

If you are brave and can see the emptiness of life, whatever tiger runs towards you whether in the dream or the 'real' tiger, they are no different. You are still alive and you can see everything has no substance.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby White Lotus » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:06 pm

this is an interesting disagreement.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby maybay » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:31 pm

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:39 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:20 pm

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:24 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:14 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby maybay » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:37 pm

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:00 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby conebeckham » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:13 pm



"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby Paul » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:31 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby maybay » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:25 am

The Lord spoke highly of solitude. I have no complaints.
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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby greentara » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:14 am

He is so quiet,
so free of any kind
of knowledge, that no idea
of God is alive in him'.
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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:56 pm

When Buddhism talks about 'reality' and about something being real or not real, the meaning is a finite point whereby something cannot be reduced or divided, thus shown to have an inherent quality, something all it's own, that is it's "is-ness". So, you could say the Buddhist 'concept' of reality is, hypothetically, a finite point.

So, a Buddhist might say that a table isn't real , meaning that it is actually composed of non-table elements (nails are not a table, glue is not a table, wood is not a table) and that only when these components are put together, if it is seen by someone who already has a concept of "table" then and only then is it a table. If you lived someplace where they did not have wood tables, you would not see it as such.

It is preferable to say "nothing exists which is a table" rather than "a table does not exist" because in a relative sense, even though ultimately there is no table, in conventional 'reality' there is a table, and what each person experiences is his or her own 'reality' even though, again, that experience can be broken down. The personal reality is not a finite thing either.

Unfortunately, the English language does not have a good word for this. "Finality" would work to convey the meaning but not really the concept.
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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby DarwidHalim » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:09 pm

Mirage is like a dream.
A dream is like a rainbow.
A rainbow is like a city of gandarvas.

In terms of appearances, rainbow and dream are different, but in term of their nature which is empty, all of them are exactly same.

Whether we say mirage like a dream or mirage is a dream, I don't see any difference.

For some people who say this life is like a dream, they are also right, because dream is happening in the sleep. While what we call reality is happening when we are not sleeping.

But, dream itself is also reality. It is the reality tht is occurring during your sleeping time. The reality of dream occurs. The content of dream is also reality, because it occurs.

But that reality of dream is exactly same with the reality when you wake up.

Both are empty of inherent existence.

Saying life like a dream or life is a dream are then no different.

Saying life is like an illusion or life is illusion are also no different.

Chogyal Namkhai Norbu said after you wake up in the morning, you will see you are dreaming. But in this reality of big dream, you will realize you actually have been dreaming when you are in the bardo state.

some people can know they are dreaming when they dream.

Some people as well can see this life is actually a dream or illusions when they are awake, without the need to wait until they are in the bardo state.

The bardo state itself is also a dream or illusion.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby maybay » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:53 pm

People will know nothing and everything
Remember nothing and everything
Think nothing and everything
Do nothing and everything
- Machig Labdron

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Re: What is the concept of "reality" in Buddhism?

Postby Malcolm » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:23 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa


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