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Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Postby tiltbillings » Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:36 am

I reading through this thread and I cannot help but think of the beer song:



As a child (maybe 5 or 6), luckily I decided that alcohol has a great capacity to make people stupid, seeing it was so in my family. At that age I chose not to drink. 55+ years later I have not seen anything to really change my opinion.

Is a social, moderate consumption of a beer - not leading to the above display of stupidity - an un-Buddhist thing? Probably not, but this is something that the individual is going to have to wrestle with for themselves. Maybe a discussion such as this can help sort out the issues, but I am not sure there are absolute answers.

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I recall that in one of Ajahn Brahm's talks he said that at one time he was puzzled why some of the Thai lay people took the precepts with little fingers folded down. When he enquired it turned out that this meant they were only taking four, not five precepts. Something like the Western convention of crossing one's fingers when making a promise... Subsequently he saw some people with even more fingers folded down... :tongue:

I don't believe the "fingers down" practise has Canonical support, but it's an interesting idea...

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Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:03 am

I have seen samaneras taking their precepts and not being "fast enough" to to take the vow not to eat after midday.
I guess the preceptor needs to slow a little :jumping:
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The funniest precept gaff I saw was when our Abbot accidentally slipped:
Abrahma-cariyā veramaṇī sikkhā-padaṃ samādiyāmi.
into the five precepts.

There was a stunned silence until he corrected it to:
Kāmesu micchācārā veramaṇī sikkhā-padaṃ samādiyāmi.

I thought it would have been interesting if the lay people (mostly women) had had to go back home to their husbands and tell them "Sorry darling, no sex this week.."

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Here's a general question: is taking a prescription narcotic a breach of the fifth precept? For example, I was given a prescription for oxycodone after my hernia surgery earlier this year, and while it can be considered 'medicine,' it was far more intoxicating than alcohol.
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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:27 am

Greetings Jason,

I think from memory, in the Vinaya there is some precedent set for something alcoholic being permissible when used for medicinal purposes.

People generally infer from this precedent that such prescriptions would be permissible.

Sorry that's a little vague...

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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In the Vinaya (not exactly the pancasila, but the best thing we have as far as details go) there are a large number of precepts that have exceptions in the case of illness, eg. keeping of various medicines, etc. Several Vinayas have explicit exceptions to the use of alcohol where it is a medicine for a sick bhikkhu, but not for one who is not sick.

eg. "As for alcohol cooked in oil, this refers to a medicine used in the Buddha's time for afflictions of the "wind element." The Mahāvagga (VI.14.1) allows this medicine for use only as long as the taste, color, and smell of the alcohol are not perceptible." -
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
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