to directly see the emptiness of thoughts one must compare the thoughts to ones own nature. it is possible to speculate that thoughts are non abiding, impermanent and therefore empty, however to directly see that thoughts are empty there must be a comparison with the emptiness of own nature within.
one does not see non duality unless one compares an object with the own nature within. it is then seen that subject within and object without are one. the reference point is own nature, not thoughts. one does not compare objects with thoughts to see non duality. one compares objects with own nature. it all comes back to seeing own nature.
if i use thoughts as a reference point, it is less intuitive than useing own nature as the reference point that shows me non duality. i still dont understand Jamgons using thoughts as the reference point for seeing non duality/emptiness... for me that just is counter intuitive and seems to be missing the main issue which is to use seeing of own nature as the source of all prajna/wisdom seeing.
there is reference to ''being'' in Jamgons statement. however i do wonder from his wording whether he actually saw the inner nature of that being, beyond speculation about thoughts and their non-duality.
yes, everything is non dual, but the reference point from which all things are seen as nondual is the own nature, not thoughts. did Jamgon talk about nature, or was his thing 'being'. it makes me wonder whether he had direct seeing of his own nature. if this were the case he would be a bodhisattva and not a buddha.
in the nirvanah sutra we are told that even a tenth bhumi bodisava does not see his own nature clearly.
it is important to question the teachers and not to accept everything they say as a given, even a teacher as great as Jamgon should be questioned.
thank you jax for the compassionate advice to practice shamatha.
thank you maybay for pointing out the yogacara view, however i would say that thoughts are objects and can be directly seen as empty objects with practice. it is true from a yogacara view that there is only mind that the mind is a non duality. some are against talk of subject and object since the two are seen as only mind, but in trying to understand jamgon i need to refer to subject and object. also from my own experience subject and object do exist. i am not a nihilist. they may be empty, but they still can be distinguished.
once again, muni, teacher my apologies for nit picking a well formulated statement by Jamgon. my respect for you will always remain.
best wishes, Tom.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.