Seek To Be Lamps Unto Yourselves

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Seek To Be Lamps Unto Yourselves

Postby Jax » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:31 am

We find a slightly different rendering in the Pali Mahāparinibbāna Sutta where it says:
"Therefore, Ānanda, be islands unto yourselves, refuges unto yourselves, seeking no external refuge; with the Dhamma as your island, the Dhamma as your refuge, seeking no other refuge. (Tr. vipassana.com)
Tasmātihānanda, attadīpā viharatha attasaranā anaññasaranā, dhammadīpā dhammasaranā anaññasaranā.

How does this injunction from the Buddha square with Vajrayana in general?

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Re: Seek To Be Lamps Unto Yourselves

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Seek To Be Lamps Unto Yourselves

Postby Jax » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:16 am

Good answer Namdrol, but perhaps it would be more precise to say the only true refuge is one's own indestructible and changeless Nature as the Dharmakaya. It requires no "practice" to be what you changelessly are. The one taking refuge would be the assemblage of the five skandhas, as sem or ego. The concept of "refuge" is itself a product of afflicted conceptualization. Are you really seeing/living from the perspective of Ati?

You also mentioned"abomination" earlier... That sounds like your mind is still plagued by the demon of believing in "good and bad", "better and worse". The non-dual vocabulary of rigpa does not include such words as "abomination". The other vocabulary available would be that used by sem. What happened to "nyamnyid" as same taste wherein all appearances are equal in value?

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Postby Jax » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:54 am

Sun, I never rejected anything, you missed the whole point. As rigpa, notions as abomination along with it's emotional flavor, never arise as Rigpa takes no position regarding better or worse. Sem is not present in rigpa , hence such concepts as abomination would only arise from the mind being in a confused state.

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Postby Pero » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:16 am

In Vajrayana and Dzogchen we are electric lamps. We don't work without electricity.
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Postby Sönam » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:17 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Seek To Be Lamps Unto Yourselves

Postby Malcolm » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:54 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Postby Nosta » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:59 pm

Just a side note: in the Bible there is a very similar saying. Jesus said something like "You must be like lamps in the top of a mountain, illuminating everyone around you."

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Postby PadmaVonSamba » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:58 pm

The people that The Buddha told that to, they had a very good teacher!!
Find a good teacher, and that teacher will show you how to put those words of the Buddha into practice.
No contradiction between Pali texts & Vajrayana.
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Postby Grigoris » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:02 pm

Obviously the man does not consider himself a "sentient being" and believes that he is without "fault". :shrug:
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Re: Seek To Be Lamps Unto Yourselves

Postby Jax » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:20 pm

Namdrol said: "But when people are not properly taught, they are cut off from the possibility of realization and that is an abomination.". No Namdrol, no one is ever cut-off from the possibility of realization. The Great Perfection is always doing it's "perfecting" in all experience. You can relax, the Perfect Mandala of the Dharmakaya, otherwise known as our "ordinary life", is never even one centimeter separate from it's Source... Love to you my friend!

Dogen Zenji, Zen Master from the 13th Century. (Japanese Soto Zen) expresses this understanding of Awareness well:
 
Primordial Awareness is in essence perfect and pervades everywhere. How could it be dependent upon what anyone does to practice or realize it? The movement of Reality does not need us to give it a push. Do I need to say that it is free from delusion? The vast expanse of Reality can never be darkened by the dust of presumptions. Who then could believe that it needs to be cleaned of such dust to be what it is? It is never separate from where you are, so why scramble around in search of it?

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Postby Sönam » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:53 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Postby Malcolm » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:56 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Postby Anders » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:03 pm

"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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