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Ooooooopppppssssss... My wrong! :oops:
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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Postby heart » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:43 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Ngondro

Postby sangyey » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:37 pm

I have a general question on ngondro. Can it be said that ngondro contains all of the teachings of tantra?

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Postby dakini_boi » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:39 pm

I have heard that said. In fact, it contains all the teachings of all 9 vehicles. I heard about one practitioner who accomplished rainbow body through doing ngondro 11 times.

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Ngondro

Postby ngondronewbie » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:31 pm

Tashi Delek,

I was happy to find these postings regarding ngondro. When I asked my teacher what I should do (he is a traditional Tibetan teacher), he told me to do ngondro. I have also been told I need to get at least half-way through ngondro to do the practice that I feel a major connection with. This is why I have tried to do ngondro.

But like others, a lot of others, I don't feel any connection to it and actually resent it. I understand the purpose of preliminary practices, but why do we all have to do this same ngondro? There are countless paths to enlightenment and so many different ways to meditate, but why is there really only one Ngondro? Only one way to accomplish purification, and generate merit?

When I say I don't feel a connection, I mean I feel like I have never done this before. The first time I met my teacher, the first time I read the 21 Praises of Tara, the first time I did many Chenrezig recitations (outside of the regular puja) and many other instances, I felt an overwhelming connection and was typically brought to tears and felt tremendous devotion. I feel nothing with ngondro.

I have been trying to do this practice for several years with almost no results. I struggle with the thought of having to do something just because. I suppose that's ego and if that's all it was, then I would push through and be a trooper, as one posted said. But it's more like feeling no emotional, karmic connection. Does anyone know of someone that was given a different set of preliminaries to do?

I will speak to my teacher, once I can get up to see him. But it would be helpful to know of something else to ask about.

Thanks.

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Re: Ngondro

Postby Dharmaswede » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:56 pm

The most Western friendly approach for understanding ngondro I have found is the concept of neuroplasticity. If you can identify a rational that speaks to you, then it might give you the leverage to experience the deeper levels. Not that I have been there...

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Re: Ngondro

Postby Grigoris » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:54 am

Dear ngondronewbie,

Just because your ngondro practice is not satisfying your expectations does not mean it is not bringing results.

Clinging to your experiences from other practices is not going to help you progress. The harder to try to achieve the effect, the more you anticipate it, the less opportunity you give to your practice to actually progress (not in relation to numbers, but in relation to quality).

Anyway why do you expect all the practices to give the same result? An ice cold beer and a cup of hot chocolate are both beverages but you don't expect them to give the same results, so why expect it from the practices?

Really though, you should go see your teacher and discuss the issue.

These are just my thoughts and I am no authority on on the matter, just trying to struggle through my daily practices and ngondro! :smile:
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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde


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