No-self and Rigpa

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Re: No-self and Rigpa

Postby heart » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:06 pm

This is nothing to get exited about, on esangha at least 20 people would have been banned by now. :smile:
Here it is still a discussion going on, not much of a discussion but Namdrol's posts are very good I think. Jax have a bunch mailing-lists on yahoo and if you think he is a Dzogchen Guru (as well as initiated master in a bunch of other religions and newage stuff) you can join them and listen to his gospel without anything but cheers. There, just like here, he don't much like being criticized.

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Re: No-self and Rigpa

Postby Dronma » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:40 pm

Sönam wrote:
alpha wrote:well...i understand that.... but if there is this danger where some people may spread misinformation and disclose aspects of the teaching which should be kept secret then i think that such forum shouldnt exist


It's a point of view ... on another hand, it is helpful to have the possibility to question knowledgable one, like Namdrol, on detail points or on text we don't have access because we do not read Tibetan. ChNNR always encourages us to question olders practitioners.
And it's true that from time to time there is a game of power, but since the time most of us are connected together (e-sangha time) it has worked pretty well ... I've learn a lot from those exchanges ...

Sönam



I am very new to Dharma forums. Today it is exactly 2 months since I started to read and post in DW.
Surely, I am not here for learning Buddhadharma or especially Dzogchen! That's why I don't like those who are preaching.
Personally, I have many questions to ask - which have arisen through teachings, practices or reading books - however since they are part of the transmissions I got, I stay silent. It is better for me to be intellectually ignorant of something, than to fill my mind with erroneous views!
I should ask only my teachers or old practitioners who I know personally and I trust enormously.
I don't like my mind to be filled up with trash of what everybody thinks that it is or it is not.....
When I have a physical problem, for example a pain in my back, then I have to find a good doctor for asking his/her advice. I would never go out in the street and start asking the people who are passing by what they think is the best cure for my pain....
If I am so careful with my body, why do I have to trust my mind to anyone without asking and checking first his/her credentials, and most of all his/her motivation of what he/she is saying in internet? :meditate:
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Re: No-self and Rigpa

Postby Dave The Seeker » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:18 am

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Re: No-self and Rigpa

Postby Sönam » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:43 am

Dronma wrote:I should ask only my teachers or old practitioners who I know personally and I trust enormously.


and that can also be the case on a forum ... some old practitioners are also presents, with the time you can also recognize them.

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Re: No-self and Rigpa

Postby Dronma » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:30 pm

Sönam wrote:
Dronma wrote:I should ask only my teachers or old practitioners who I know personally and I trust enormously.


and that can also be the case on a forum ... some old practitioners are also presents, with the time you can also recognize them.

Sönam


Yes, Sönam. I already can recognize a few. But DW is an open forum, so I cannot post my questions publicly, because they are mostly about practices and transmissions. I am very careful with my samaya.... ;)
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Re: No-self and Rigpa

Postby Sally Gross » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:06 pm

Dronma wrote:
Namdrol wrote:śūnyatā is a term in Indian mathematics which means 0.

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Sure, there is no doubt about that. But zero can manifest only zero, according to mathematics.
So, "this" which is manifesting everything and it is full of potentialities cannot be zero! :meditate:


This comment is perhaps way :offtopic: and I am no mathematician but, thinking about it, the introduction of zero opened up endless possibilities in mathematics, a vein of potentialities which are very far from exhausted and are perhaps inexhaustible. Even in the mathematical sense, shuunyataa is not to be dismissed out of hand. :thinking:
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