Dzogchen and Free Will

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Kilaya. » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:26 pm

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Sönam » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:31 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Grigoris » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:40 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Sönam » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:02 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Fa Dao » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:36 pm

"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Malcolm » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:42 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Adamantine » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:37 pm

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Fa Dao » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:59 pm

Adamantine...I second that request. Especially regarding the rga thal gyur, considering that Rinpoche places such high value on it.
Namdrol, is the rga thal gyur ridiculously long? And if it isnt too terribly long please please please with sugar on top translate it for us poor deluded struggling shmucks out here.
BTW, what does rga thal gyur mean in English? and who was it written by etc?
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Lhug-Pa » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:20 pm

From what I've gathered by searching Dharmawheel and by referencing Longchenpa's The Practice of Dzogchen by Tulku Thondup, and the Thupten Jinpa translation of the Bar-do—Thos-grol, is that the Rainbow Body proper is the fruition of Anuyoga-Tantra and/or Anuttarayoga-Tantra; and that the "Rainbow Body" is a general term used for the various fruitions of Dzogchen even though technically the Rainbow Body is of Anuyoga Tantra (although as Namdrol has said, Anuyoga Tantra's aim is Atiyoga from the very beginning).

In any case, this discussion might be better continued in the following thread, considering the compiled Tibetan words for the various Bodies found therein:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5875&p=76983&hilit=Trekch%C3%B6#p66009

A couple questions for the above thread, which Body is it that leaves behind only the nails and hair, and which Body is it where the physical body shrinks to the size of a dinner plate?

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Dronma » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:21 pm

"My view is as vast as the sky, but my actions are finer than flour"
~ Padmasambhava ~

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Adamantine » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:04 pm

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Jax » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:52 am

Greg, to clarify my position on the need for a Guru. My point is that it is not necessary to have a Guru for realization to arise. Of course it is highly recommended to have a teacher who knows the ground well experientialy. Regarding Dzogchen, I have always recommended that people receive transmission. The transmission that I received from Norbu could have been conveyed to me via an excellent book with the same information. It was just an explanation from him Semde style... that clicked for me. It could certainly have been conveyed from a video from him or even skype. His being physically present was not relevant. My deepest "transmission" occurred as the result of gTumo practice.( Kundlalini yoga). All of one's karmic prana dissolves in the central channel, and sem (dualistic mind) collapses (nirvikalpa samadhi) completely revealing naked, timeless Rigpa Awareness. One can achieve that without a Guru transmission, just do the practice. It is a self to self transmission as Trungpa describes it. He said true transmission does not come from outside of oneself, but from within to oneself. As Norbu says "a perfect Guru yoga is to just recognize one's own State".

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Adamantine » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:17 am

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Jax » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:20 am

Adamantine, gTumo yoga is kundalini yoga. Norbu calls "thigle" kundalini. Thigle is kundalini. I am not mixing anything. Why do you think Milarepa praised gTumo so highly? Because people could sit in the snow and melt it? gTumo is not about "heat", its about bliss and realization. If you bring all of the karmic pranas into the central channel, they transform into "yeshe", the yeshe of "rang jyung yeshe", the Knowingness of Rigpa. This is the key to tantric transformation. The result is Rigpa or Mahamudra. Are you saying that the realization of Mahamudra is not Rigpa? The subtlest mind, the mind of Clear Light, is revealed as a result of this practice. Why do you think in the Yeshe Lama it is instructed that one do daily sessions of gTumo yoga when in a thogal retreat?

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Re: Dzogchen and Free Will

Postby Adamantine » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:59 am

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha


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