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the great rebirth debate

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:45 am

OK Fair do's,
Godwin was of course making a humorous observation when he formulated his "Law".
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

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Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:49 am

Given the subject matter and nature of the discussion, this topic/thread has been mergeed with the great rebirth debate thread, the great-granddaddy of tail-chasing threads on DW.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Vepacitta's Vow:

I vow, whenever tempted to reference Hitler in any internet debate, to use either Stalin or Mao insead.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

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Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

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_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

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Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

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Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

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Re: Suttas relevant to Rebirth?

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:18 am

Right view (samma ditti) includes rebirth. See the Mahacattasarika sutta below. It has implications for the development of the entire noble eightfold path. Science will never find complete evidence for this kind of thing, nor be able to disprove it completely in our lifetime. However there is enough anecdotal evidence to see it as a distinct possibility. If that is the case, the value in this lies in the utility of it for us, now. It helps to motivate us and to steer us away from lobha, dosa, moha (craving, aversion, delusion- the basis of most elements of right view) which leads to the entire development of the path. If it is extremely helpful for in overcoming suffering why not adopt it as a belief? Millions have done it all over the world.

"Of those, right view is the forerunner. And how is right view the forerunner? One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view. And what is wrong view? 'There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed. There is no fruit or result of good or bad actions. There is no this world, no next world, no mother, no father, no spontaneously reborn beings; no priests or contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is wrong view...

"One tries to abandon wrong view & to enter into right view: This is one's right effort. One is mindful to abandon wrong view & to enter & remain in right view: This is one's right mindfulness. Thus these three qualities — right view, right effort, & right mindfulness — run & circle around right view...

"Of those, right view is the forerunner. And how is right view the forerunner? In one of right view, wrong view is abolished. The many evil, unskillful qualities that come into play with wrong view as their condition are also abolished, while the many skillful qualities that have right view as their condition go to the culmination of their development...

"Of those, right view is the forerunner. And how is right view the forerunner? In one of right view, right resolve comes into being. In one of right resolve, right speech comes into being. In one of right speech, right action... In one of right action, right livelihood... In one of right livelihood, right effort... In one of right effort, right mindfulness... In one of right mindfulness, right concentration... In one of right concentration, right knowledge... In one of right knowledge, right release comes into being. Thus the learner is endowed with eight factors, and the arahant with ten...

"This Dhamma discourse on the Great Forty has been set rolling and cannot be stopped by any contemplative or priest or deva or Mara and Brahma or anyone at all in the world.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Dhammakid » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:45 pm

Hi nowheat,
Thanks for your comments. You've raised some good points I am not studied enough to counter, so I will have some good study questions to ponder for a while.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: Suttas relevant to Rebirth?

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