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Did the Buddha say all suffering is caused by craving?

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Postby Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:48 pm

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Postby Alex123 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:54 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby Ben » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:06 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
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Postby Alex123 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:11 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby Ben » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:19 am

Indeed, but in those discourses, was the Buddha addressing arahants?
pain is not dukkha, Alex, unless one is not enlightened.
If one is a putthujana, the tendency is to identify with the painful sensation and react with aversion.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Did the Buddha say all suffering is caused by craving?

Postby nowheat » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:44 am

Dukkha has its source in the contingent nature of all things, including our "selves" which are contingent and therefore impermanent and therefore unsatisfactory (dukkha). It is craving for things to be permanent that causes the problem. If we didn't crave then there'd be no dukkha. How can we stop craving? By ending ignorance. Ignorance of what? Of the four noble truths and the first two are that there is dukkha, that dukkha has a source which is craving. When we understand how we cause our own suffering by craving, when we understand how it happens by craving things that are impermanent, when we really see this, craving comes to an end. Craving is the cause of our suffering and it is ended by ending ignorance; ignorance is the cause of our suffering. They are one and the same.

It's not *really* about craving for material goods, isn't it? It's craving for our relationship to things to be satisfying, to stay within our control, for impermanence to not affect them. It's larger than material goods. One can have material goods as long as we aren't craving them. (Kinda hard, I know.)

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Postby Goedert » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:47 am

The Buddha said that all the suffering and purification is caused by oneself and just self alone.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:25 am

Greetings Sylvester,

It warms the heart to see that sometimes my puns hit the mark.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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