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Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:34 pm

Could I have some insights into this teacher please.

An event invitation has been posted on another forum, but this forum has many more people who may know about him, and I suspect it won't be long before we have the invitation posted here. The event mentions a fee but the website has no fee information I could find.

The invitation reads thus:

''Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi is holding a class for those interested in experiencing the entry level of his Guang Huan Mi Zong Great Perfection Esoteric Dharma.

This three day class is an introduction to Esoteric practice for healing and strengthening the mind and body and an entry point for those interested in pursuing the Dharma and studying under a teacher.

A very rare opportunity to meet a true master and experience Esoteric teaching.

For for more information visit our website at http://mahameditation.org/''

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/1 ... -Rust-Belt

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Re: Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby Mr. G » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:50 pm

Blue Garuda wrote:...and I suspect it won't be long before we have the invitation posted here. The event mentions a fee but the website has no fee information I could find.

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Yep, they posted here already:

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=7686
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Re: Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby Jikan » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:54 pm

What is meant by "esoteric" practice here? Who is this person's teacher, and where and how did he learn this practice?
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Re: Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:57 pm

Mr. G wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:...and I suspect it won't be long before we have the invitation posted here. The event mentions a fee but the website has no fee information I could find.

Yeshe


Yep, they posted here already:

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=7686


Hi both. :)

Yes, I asked all those questions, but so far no real answers:

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/calend ... icseen#new

I see you locked his thread here, so this one is also redundant. Please lock off. :)

Delighted to see how much DW is on the ball. :)
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Re: Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby Mr. G » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:13 pm

Well I don't mind leaving it open for the time being if someone can provide answers into who this teacher is, lineage, etc.
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Re: Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:22 pm

Mr. G wrote:Well I don't mind leaving it open for the time being if someone can provide answers into who this teacher is, lineage, etc.


OK. Maybe there is something to be learned which will be in the interests of those seeking a guru. :)

Here's the link to the organisation and event: http://mahameditation.org/

I have asked for reports from oncologists which confirm the ability to cure cancer etc.

I have asked for details about transmission of Tantra being taught.

I have also asked for information on fees. $3m for a single project points to great wealth:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/1 ... -Rust-Belt

The website has no information at all on fees, so let's see what you get at the advertised event:

''A transformative 3 day Maha Meditation class, taught by Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi, suitable for beginners or experienced practitioners.''

What you will get in the class includes:

Mantras and mudras.

A 'transmission' of energy.

A 'secret code' which 'unlocks the potential' for self-healing.

And possibly 'miraculous'recovery from serious mental or physical illness.

Due to words like 'potential' and 'energy' and 'benefits can vary...' the publicity is very clever in not actually promising anything at all - which is possibly what most will get.

Here's what I have asked elsewhere, and I don't mind if the answer is made here:

''Your original post here was not about your experience, it was spam about an event.

How much does the event cost, I wonder? Can you tell us? Surely it is not a secret.

If you can talk of having received something through this teacher, please explain what. Please also explain how he has the vast wealth necessary for the projects detailed in 't' 's link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/1 ... -Rust-Belt

''But on March 31, the group’s spokesperson Jenny Wong told the Amsterdam Recorder that there was still no final decision about abandoning the approximately $3 million in local property, which included two former Catholic churches and a vacant summer camp a few miles away in rural Ephratah.''

Was the $3m dollars accumulated through teaching Buddhadharma for a fee? I hope not.

Which lineage declared him a 'Holy Master' and which Vaja Master transmitted the mantras and mudras to him ?

Finally, please answer my question about his healing powers - evidence from a properly qualified oncologist after proper research is acceptable, anecdotes without proper specialist medical examination are not.

You seem shy, as your teacher claims these powers, to declare him to be a living Buddha, and explain how you are able to recognise him as one. And please avoid the technique of quoting how he is a Buddha and can cure cancer because a disciple said so.

I'll be most surprised if we do not find that there is no evidence backed by proper medical research. By now, your teacher would have received huge international acclaim if there was, and cancer services worldwide would be hugely transformed.

Equally, if a disciple calls their teacher a Buddha, it is not evidence which stands up to scrutiny - can he display omniscience, maybe?

I understand that it is hard to see what is truly happening in an organisation whilst within it, but I urge you to seek appropriate advice.

I write out of compassion, so I truly desire what is best for you, and also best for anyone reading such publicity. I can't declare your organisation a cult and cannot declare your teacher a fraud, and it would be wrong to attack your path, but I think if you arrive on a forum to publicise your Master and take no part in the rest of the forum, the least you can do is answer a few simple questions.

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Re: Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby plwk » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:55 am

There... 1 2 3

http://res6zeam.wordpress.com/buddhist- ... t-lineage/
The Bon religion is literally the source of everything we see in Tibetan Buddhism; the style of dress, ceremonies, and ritual equipment, etc. The vast majority of the dieties worshipped in Tibetan Buddhism, and in particular the wrathful protector dieties, were grandfathered in from the Bonpo. It can eve be accurately said that the only thing that Guru Rinpoche really changed about the Bon religion when he founded the Nyingma lineage, the first Tibetan Buddhist lineage, was that he added the Buddha as a principal diety, thereby establishing the Buddha as the most powerful Shaman in Tibet. Of course, the Buddha was also compassionate, unlike many Shamans, but that’s not what we primarily see in these stories.
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Re: Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby Blue Garuda » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:03 am

From your first link:


http://res6zeam.wordpress.com/buddhist- ... -shangshi/

''At the age of 17, he gained the Living Buddha’s realization of the wisdom of emptiness, and took the great vow to spend his whole life propagating Buddhadharm and crossing over sentient beings. For over thirty years, for the sake of methods of transformation he has gone West seeking the Dharma, has gone through numerous perils, and has widely visited high monks, old Taoists, famous Masters, anchorites, and has done wall-facing practice, and passed through every kind of obstruction to the point of realization, and obeyed Vairochana Buddha in founding the Radiant Ring Secret Lineage.''

''Ziguang Shangshi is an exemplary example for people, showing by word and deed that compassion is what he cherishes, and he opposes that the students participating in training should be given the revelation of Buddhadharma simply with a dutiful attitude, but empowers them to obtain the healing of the Radiant Ring Secret Lineage esoteric method, and so the healing efficacy is exceptionally fast and outstanding. Because he is like this, every time Ziguang Shangshi comes to a place, he always leaves behind a beneficial influence and many miraculous stories. Ziguang Shangshi has immeasurable merit from crossing over sentient beings, and rescuing sentient beings floundering in the sea of suffering, and bringing each of them on to the great ship of the health of the Radiant Ring Secret Lineage, [pre]liberating them from suffering in this way,[/pre] and putting forth a huge contribution to the work for the health of mankind. ''


The emboldened parts are direct quotes, claims of a Living Buddha etc etc. I'm guessing that by starting a new lineage he doesn't need to establish any prior lineage as any authentication. Ho hum.....

I hope the guy originally posting info on this teacher's work manages to find a true path. _/\_
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Re: Holy Master Ziguang Shang Shi

Postby Blue Garuda » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:46 am

Missed this from the same quote, which is surely able to be proven true:

''When the time came to the Dharma-Ending Age, Ziguang Shangshi, responding to the Dharma Ream in the world, for the sake of crossing over sentient beings of the six gatis, manifested a form in the world. At the age of five years, he was given abhisheka by Shi Qiming, the Abbot of Dafo Si (Great Buddha Temple), and afterwards attained the true transmission of Lin Chan Ka Er Tu, the transformation body of Guru Rinpoche. ''
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