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WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

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WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby O'seeker » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:06 pm

Where does consciousness come from and why does it exist if there is no "self"?

Who made consciousness?

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby bodom » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:07 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby bodom » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:12 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby Shonin » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:13 pm

So the obvious next question is....

Who made 'Mara the Evil One' and where is he represented on the 12 Nidanas?

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby Lazy_eye » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:18 pm

Maybe instead of "who made consciousness" we might first ask "what is consciousness"?

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby Individual » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:26 pm

Wonderful replies
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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby lojong1 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:58 pm

"Consciousness" covers many non-buddhist interpretations. People might respond as though you are using a buddhist definition, but I guess that's unlikely because you're asking the question. There is citta (mind/consciousness)...

MN 78: "What is the cause of unskillful habits? Their cause is stated, and they are said to be mind-(citta)-caused. Which mind? — for the mind has many modes & permutations. Any mind with passion, aversion or delusion: That is the cause of unskillful habits."

What causes citta? You wrote the OP with more than one citta, you might have had tens of thousands of consciousnesses between then and now, I don't know. What caused this one? Now what caused this one? Now what caused this one?

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby lojong1 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:13 pm

Who made the river? All the streams from all the individual drops of rain that have been wearing away the dirt and rocks since way back... before there was a river, there were causes of the river.

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby cooran » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:46 pm

Hello all,

There is no ''Who''.

You may find your answer is here:

Transcendental Dependent Arising - A Translation and Exposition of the Upanisa Sutta
By Bhikkhu Bodhi

What is the supporting condition for consciousness? 'Kamma formations' should be the reply.
http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books ... rising.htm

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:58 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby Laurens » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:03 am

define conciousness. You need to be clear about what you mean with words like that. It's the same with 'God' its so very often left undefined that it makes any argument pretty useless....
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby alan » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:16 am

WE DON'T KNOW!

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:13 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:22 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

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Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:41 pm

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_


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