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Metta and Predation

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Metta and Predation

Postby MayaRefugee » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:43 pm

Greetings Everyone,

Hoping to hear some thoughts on these propositions and get a dialogue happening.

Does one or can one cultivate enough Metta that your body/being need not fear/worry about predators?

How can you eradicate duality when experience teaches you that there are threats to your bodies perpetuation i.e. tigers, lions, sharks, snakes, etc.?

If a predator decides you're what it wants do you be unselfish and willingly let predators have their way with you?

Peace,

Maya

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby chownah » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:08 pm

I don't worry about predators....I thought that most adults were similarly not concerned about predators....probably not all though.....if there is danger then take precautions I guess but really what are the chances.

I wouldn't let a predataor eat me.....why would I?.....I don't think that there is anything even remotely implied in the Buddha's teachings that suggest it is wrong to protect yourself from a predator....or that you should not do so.

chownah

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby MayaRefugee » Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:20 pm

What about the sutra about the guy that let the other guy dismember him - that's predatory behaviour is it not?

Here something is being won (easement/satisfaction/intoxication for the predators mind/sense of self) and something is being lost (the volitional capacity/life/namarupa of the Buddhist).

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby cooran » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:15 pm

Hello MayaRefugee,

I'm not aware of any such sutta. Can you please give a traceable link to it?

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---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby Hanzze » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:29 pm

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby Goofaholix » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:31 pm

I don't know about yours but in my town humans are the top of the food chain, so no predators to worry about.

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby Hanzze » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:38 pm

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby cooran » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:38 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby MayaRefugee » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:11 am

Thanks for your contributions guys.

Equanimity based on skillfullness; I like this.

Looks like I need to look into my idea/understanding of skillful, I don't know if I'm prepared to die/sacrifice my body in the name of the Dhamma if a situation arises that self-defense/counterattack would negate just yet - :thinking:

Here's another question:

In my original proposition I've used the word predator, this predator to me would be buddha nature being distorted by basic instincts/unwholesome desire, for one wanting to get rid of distinctions and permanently recognise everythings sameness/buddha nature how do yo do away with distinctions that allow you to be skillful/perform skillful actions or avoid and negate unwholesomeness - even though you might not get excited or frightened or whatever by the potential of predators/bandits aren't you still categorizing/differentiating them based on some quality/probability inherent to them i.e. unwholesome, wrong, idle, dangerous, greedy, etc?

Another way to ask this would be what seperates or allows you to distuinguish say a bikkhu from a shark?

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Re: Metta and Predation

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby MayaRefugee » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:39 am

TMingyur, if you cherish others you should still be wary of their cankers/wrong views/etc shouldn't you? - volatility/unpredictabilty is of concern to me, how can you find peace in a room/climate full of time bombs or in the lions den?

If you have no self but others are operating under the assumption they have a self and this self they have wants to objectify you and use you to satisfy some ends what do you do?

If others are playing by rules you don't agree with/like to play by and the repercussions of them playing by different rules could bring about your bodily extinction do you just cop it sweet? - Do you pull them up and sit them down and tell them your rules are better than theirs ans we should both play by them?

Is it neccessary to partition your life into worldly and spiritual affairs and your wisdom into worldly and spiritual wisdom?

Does anyone see anything in my words that reveals something in me that I am not seeing?

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby cooran » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:39 am

Hello all,

Here is a thread on DhammaStudyGroup which is about the Canonicity of the Jatakas ¬ and shows that while the Jataka Verses are Canonical, the Jataka Tales are not Canonical.

Among those involved in the discussion from 1999 on Buddha-L and 2003 on DSG are Lance Cousins, Jim Anderson, Richard Hayes.

Canonicity of the Jatakas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dhammastu ... sage/23011

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Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: Metta and Predation

Postby MayaRefugee » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:36 am

If the Buddha reached enlightenment in woods also inhabited by lions and other meat eaters would he acknowledge the risk and react to it or would the lions and other meat eaters have taken him off their menu cause he reached nibbana? - assume their was no compound/fenced off area for the Buddha to retreat in to.

It just seems to me like physical threats/suffering and mental torment are two kettles of fish requiring two types of action to put an end to it - even if you don't care about dying wouldn't you still prefer to live? - don't the Shaolin monks have a rule where it's ok to defend but never attack, why would you make it easy for a lion to eat your body and end your stint here?

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