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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:19 am

Yes, you are right Tilt.
If we are all involved in useless and speculative discussion, there may be merit in Nathan's call to place it in a Dhamma-free forum. But as it is, non-normative views of the Dhamma are regularly challenged and refuted by our members. While the original poster may not be convinced or freed from the error of view, the discussion will no doubt assist those new to the Dhamma as to what is representative of theravada point of view and what is not.

I think it is far healthier to discuss rebirth, kamma or any other aspect of the teachings rather than to quarantine some subjects from discussion. And this is the right sub-forum to do it.
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

Postby Individual » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:23 am

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

Postby nathan » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:33 am

What propels these threads forward is the failure to distinguish between valid questions and invalid declarations. Frequently these are incoherently presented in the form of ignorant declarations which may contain acceptable questions. The distinction between a question and a declaration should be clear to the OP and those who post, ongoing. Points of disagreement should be approached one at a time. The morass of misperceptions and misconceptions as a whole that are always presented as some counterfeit of Right View are not something we can dispense with for someone else. Point by point these contentions can be clearly and expediently dispensed with. I am entirely sympathetic to individual difficulties and entirely unsympathetic to widespread and persistent systemic confusion.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

Postby nathan » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:41 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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A moderator note. The thread name has been slightly changed to more accurately reflect the content.

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:44 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:14 am

Please keep discussion focused on the ideas presented related to the topic of the thread.

From the Appropriate conduct within the Dhammic free-for-all forum:

Use the Report Post function and we will attend to your report as quickly as practicable, given our available staff. Please do not publicly quote and object to the content of a post, because this then embeds it within the flow of conversation and it becomes difficult for moderators to extract the offending material without disrupting the thread. Public complaints, regardless of how legitimate, tend to take threads off-topic and have a tendency to become a sideshow unto themselves.

Also, please keep in mind that this particular subject is going to engender strong feeling on each side. Given that before posting please be mindful of what it that you are saying.

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

Postby nathan » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:45 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

Postby Prasadachitta » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:36 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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Re: Buddhist Rebirth Refuted?

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