Translating "Dzogchenpa"

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Translating "Dzogchenpa"

Postby Dronma » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:33 pm

I have a question about the term "Dzogchenpa".
My personal understanding is that it means "someone who has high realization of Dzogchen".
But often I hear people call themselves or their friends "Dzogchenpa", which is giving the meaning "someone who practises - more or less - Dzogchen".
What is the traditional meaning in Tibetan?
Then, the ending -pa indicates masculine gender. Is there also an equivalent ending -ma for females, for example "Dzogchenma"?
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Postby Dronma » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:31 pm

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Postby Pero » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:20 pm

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Postby Norwegian » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:17 am

According to Namdrol from some posts on defunct e-sangha forum, back in 2006, with regards to ngakpa/ngakma:

"It is the same with the so-called "ngagmas"-- in reality, no such term exists in Tibetan."

"The main reason is that there is no "mantrinii" in Sanskrit [i.e. snags pa = mantrin]. The term "yoginii" however does exist in sanskrit, and this is why in Tibetan texts one will see "sngags pa dang rnal 'byor ma..." but never in all my years of reading Tibetan books have I ever seen the term "sngags ma"."

"[...]female practitioners are generally referred to as yoginiis, rnal 'byor ma, in the various texts that where I have encountered women. Important women practitioners are frequently called "Jomo" which is the feminine equivalent of Jowo, for example Jomo Menmo, Guru Chowang's companion. Another common term for female yoginins is "Machig"-- of whom there are several, like the famed Machig Zhama of one of the Lamdre lineages"

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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