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Jhāna According to the Pāḷi Nikāyas

The cultivation of calm or tranquility and the development of concentration
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Postby Vepacitta » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:21 pm

Hey Reductor :smile:

No, it really hasn't occurred to me - it's probably the Ajahn Chah/Ajahn Sumedho influence on me. See the Venerable's post on Ajahn Chah's teaching above.

(Thanks Venerable for that great 'nuts and bolts' meditation teaching from Ven. Chah).

However, I will review the steps - and after the mediation 'calms down' - will analyse it.

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Postby IanAnd » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:08 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Postby IanAnd » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:41 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Postby Agmanellium » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:56 pm

This has helped me greatly in my meditation, especially the part on directed thought towards renunciation, non-aversion, and harmlessness. However I am having problems with harmlessness. I am not a vegetarian. As I meditate my thoughts go to harmlessness and I wrestle with the question of the need to forswear meat in order to be harmless. If i think "what if I try not eating meat?', then the question of wearing leather arises. I know that meat was not forbidden as long as it was not slaughtered specifically for the monks, so my question is this: Since our meat delivery system in the United States is not aimed at any individual, and therefore no animal was slaughtered specifically for me, can I eat it and still consider myself to have done no harm? I have not killed. It was not killed for me, and the killing will continue whether I eat it or not. Most leather is a byproduct of meat slaughter. The skin would only go to waste were it not made into leather. This I have less problem with. To eat a plant is to kill it. To eat a part of a plant is to kill the cells that make up that part. It is not possible to live without killing. Is it therefore the pain that animals suffer that is the harm or are plants merely "second class citizens" of our planet? How do you practice harmlessness?

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Postby Sobeh » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:24 pm

I added a more formal bit after you posted, Tilt, so maybe that one is clearer generally.
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That the word Satipatthana itself means "the four establishments of mindfulness" establishes premise (1) as a tautology.
The Anapanasati and Kayagatasati Suttas declare premise (2).
Premise (3) is unproven (one can't prove a negative), but to discard it will require contrasting proof, i.e. a Sutta citation whereby jhanas are declared to fulfill satipatthana.

The rest follows necessarily.

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:48 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)


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