Namdrol wrote:gad rgyangs wrote:
so one can entertain mistaken views about the nature of the basis, but thats no more or less a manifestation of the basis than correct views. It leads to a different movie though.
You're mistaken in assuming that there is no error -- the proof of that is contained within your own statement.
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Basically, your point of view entails that for you liberation is meaningless. Which is fine, but that is not the point of view of Dzogchen, nor Buddhism as a whole. It may be the point of view of various neo-advaita, pseudo-zen, new age gurus, but not Dzogchen.
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The mistake then is seeing as there what isn't there, which is why this tantra, among others uses the rope/snake example. What this tantra is stating is that deluded appearances we see that are predicated in the basis do not exist in the basis and are not appearances of the basis, but rather misapprehensions of the appearance of the basis.
You on the other hand seem to be saying that the basis manifests as sentient beings and the six realms. If this is what you are saying, then you are very far away from the point of view of the great perfection.
N
Additionally, a little excerpt from "The Invocation of Samantabhadra":
"In the beginning for the deluded beings
Rigpa did not arise in the base
And so they fell into a blank state of unconsciousness,
The very cause of ignorance and illusion.
From this sudden faint
They emerged frightened, dizzy and agitated.
From this, the notion of self, other, and enemy arose.
Through the gradual increasing of habitual tendency
Samsara enfolded sequentially.
From this, the five poisonous emotions spread
And the action of the five poisons manifested unceasingly.
Thus, since the base of beings' delusion
Is ignorance and unsonsciousness,
Through my invocation as the Buddha,
May all become aware of their Rigpa!
Co-emergent ignorance
Is a state of unconsciousness and blankness.
The conceptual ignorance
Is the dualism of self and others.
The two ignorances, co-emergent and conceptual,
Are the base of delusion for all beings.
Through my invocation as the Buddha,
May the dense darkness of unconsciousness
Of all beings in samsara dissolve,
May dualistic perception be purified,
And may all become aware of their state of Rigpa!"