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Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:23 pm

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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby AdmiralJim » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:59 am

I like the sound of this guy..........would have been good banter
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Aemilius » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:24 am

Have you heard of Oscar Idhazo, a south-american born teacher of a sufi school of knowledge? He was famous for a while in 1970's. He moved to the United States and founded a Sufi School named Arica there. They use the sacred word HU, and also the sacred dance that Nasruddin is talking about. The syllable Hu is most likely same as the syllable Hung, because linguistically Hung is a long Huu combined with anusvara. And we have the Song of Hung for example in Dorje Dolod practice. Is it still funny?

Here is more about Arica and Oscar Idhazo

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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:38 pm

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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:47 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Aemilius » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:55 am

I can't see why eneagram is brought in? I have no interest for it. Idries Shah says that it has a sufi origin, in some form, if that is important. Do we need to use the label "New Age" in this context? We don't need to take it for granted that labeling a person "new age" means that he is worse than the "tradition" or "old age" ? -Or how do you call it, the non-new age thing ?
Buddha Gautama certainly was New Age in His days, because he rejected the Vedas, was outside Brahmin caste, rejected the caste system altogether, accepted even outcastes in his teaching & community, he rejected the hidden or secret teaching (which was traditional in brahmanism), rejected the principle of hereditary rule in Sangha and advocated democracy. In the sravakayana sutras he even rejected the principle of lineageholders!
Indeed, He was worse than New Age, he was New Age combined with Anarchism, anti-brahmanism, atheism, democracy etc...
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:27 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Stewart » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:46 pm

Very interesting Greg,

I think the term 'New Age' refers to the 'Age of Aquarius', and all the hotch potch of spiritual beliefs people try to splice together..... BS in other words. Rather than just sincerely practicing a tradition, whilst respecting others, much like Greg is doing with Sufism.

'Hu' = Hung = a connection with Dorje Drolod, gibberish.
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:02 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:50 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:59 am

What exactly is your point Lhug-Pa?
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Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Lhug-Pa » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:24 pm

I wanted to post more, but couldn't find the other information, so didn't have time to further supplement what I posted here (regarding how Nasreddin, Æsop (Lockman?), Sufism, Islam, and Buddhism are possibly interrelated).

Anyhow, before Blavatsky and Gurdjieff there was Godfrey Higgins. :twothumbsup:

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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:11 pm

Their interelation has to do with the fact that they are all projected via, or produced by the human mind. So what? That means that Buddhism, Taoism and Fascism are also related. So what?

That there will be a degree of syncretism between Ancient Greek popular culture (Aesop) and Medieval Persian/Seljuk/Arab popular culture (Nasreddin) is to be expected given the proximity of the populations. Same with that of Ancient Hebrew and Ancient Greek culture. But again: So what?

It is obvious that not all the stories ascribed to Nasreddin actually had anything to do with him and that his person was merely a medium through which to express popular wisdom, but... (I won't repeat the question again).

Shared material circumstances/physical realities amongst vastly varied human groups, plus shared capacities as humans, leads to accounts that are incredibly similar and to nuances that are incredibly specific. That does not mean that they are interrelated in any direct manner. It also does not mean that they are the same thing (or their meaning is reduced to a common denominator) the nuances in difference are as important as the underlying similarities. The abovementioned story about the guy trapped in the tree attests to that.

The differences betray as much as the similarities do, they should not be ignored in the name of "feel-good-ecumenism".
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:48 pm

I've more thoughts on this Gregkavarnos, although not right at the moment.

Just saying that I'm not meaning to leave you hanging here. :anjali:

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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Grigoris » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:27 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Nasreddīn Hodja

Postby Aemilius » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:28 am

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