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Hi from USA -- What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby starter » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:20 pm

Greetings!

I'm a beginner (about two months old buddhist), who practices alone in Pennsylvania. I'm very happy to find this forum. I hope to learn from the friends here.

I do have an urgent question concerning my cultivation practice to avoid mistakes -- What a lay practitioner shouldn't do in addition to observing the five precepts ? I just learned that we shouldn't use mantras(?) but can use some suttas for protection (?), we shouldn't chant melodiously but should do so in plain tone (?), ...

Is gardening (killing weeds) acceptable or not?

Your kind advice would be most appreciated.

Metta,

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Re: Hi from USA -- What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby bodom » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:30 pm

Welcome Starter. I used to live in Reading, Pennsylvania and practiced alone for a long time. Make Dhammawheel your virtual sangha as I did and you will be fine.

As far as lay practice, see these suttas:

Everyman's Ethics Four Discourses of the Buddha

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el014.html

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby Goedert » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:18 am

Friend,

I advice you to be very diligentily with your behaviours. Trying to be aware of why/how/where/for you are doing the things and observing them with the principles.

There is a lot of good information on this forum on where and how to start.

Have a good day.

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby bodom » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:29 am

Here are some sutta's and related articles I collected:

Suttas for the Householder
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=259

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Hi from USA -- What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:12 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Are plants counted as living beings?

Postby starter » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:13 pm

Hi Friends, thanks a lot for your very kind and helpful advice on my inquiry "What a lay practitioner shouldn't do?". I gathered that killing weeds for gardening seems to be OK, but I wonder if for sure plants are not counted as living beings for the 1st precept. Metta!

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby Fede » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:00 am

Plants are living, but not sentient.

There is some dispute amongst Buddhists as to whether some insects are sentient or merely responding to reflexive impulses.
The Dalai lama has been known to swat a mosquito...

Tricky.

I will admit to dispatching flies and their maggots, because of the filth and disease they transmit.
I will admit to swatting mosquitoes and disposing of their larvae for the same reason.

My intention is to protect the many possible subsequent victims of their instincts and behaviour.
Is this right View?
I ponder it constantly.
I still find it difficult to answer.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Hi from USA -- What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

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Re: Hi from USA -- What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby bodom » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:17 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby lojong1 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:17 am

That looks like the source of the source I was looking for. It's better than bad, it's good!

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:11 pm

Yes, thank you. The Buddha's teachings for laymen needs to be posted regularly for laymen to consider. Many, many people attempt to live some weird hybrid existence between layman and monk, and I think this creates a great deal of stress. There's nothing wrong--and in fact it's very beneficial--to live the life of a conscientious layman. Which is what I decided to do some time ago. This decision seems to have upset some people; I was once even called a "traitor to the dhamma" :tongue: because I said I planned to enjoy the simple pleasures in my life and forget about chasing this chimera we call "enlightenment."

This is my warning: don't take this so seriously it bleeds all the happiness from your life. In my opinion, if your life begins to become complicated and stressful, you're doing something wrong. Being happy doesn't lead to suffering. That isn't what the First Noble Truth means. There is a sutta for laymen where Buddha describes all the sources of happiness possible for laymen and how to get the most from them. I can't seem to find it right now but it is a lovely one. Perhaps someone can post it. This is a valuable thread. :anjali:

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby bodom » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:23 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:33 pm

No, that's not it--though that's a good one. The sutta I have in mind lists enjoying spouse, family, blameless profession, a well-ordered house, spiritual practice, good friendship, being free of debt, other things, and goes on to give advice on how to invest money wisely, live honorable, etc.

This is close but there is another which goes into more detail:

AN 8.54: Vyagghapajja (Dighajanu) Sutta — Conditions of Welfare/ To Dighajanu
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nara.html




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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby bodom » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:38 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:45 pm

Ah yes, we're zeroing in on them . :LOL;

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby bodom » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:49 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:54 pm

Yes, and contemplating the differences between teachings for the laity and for the sangha would help reduce a lot of stress, I think. I sense many people, especially beginners set unrealistic goals for themselves.

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Re: What a lay practitioner shouldn't do ?

Postby BD1 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:05 pm

It can only be what it is,


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