Applying Effort

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Applying Effort

Postby sangyey » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:32 pm

Hi everybody,

I have been working on the Paramita effort and normally I have no problem applying it to my Dharma practice but when it comes to such things like school and working I find it difficult sometimes to arouse proper energy perhaps because I don't really find it too beneficial.

I am wondering what some of your thoughts and suggestions might be on this?

Thank you.

S

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby Indrajala » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:50 pm

The alternative of not practising is continued existence in samsara which is suffering. It won't get better unless you put in effort.
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Re: Applying Effort

Postby muni » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:09 pm

Should say; through meditation, through applying dharma in our life, one can taste some lighter feeling. Then joy is giving power.
The power of diligence by realizing; the difficult coarse and heavy digging in troubles need not at all! The painful struggling by grasping to wordly concerns is our created theatre only.
All beings around us suffer, to at least not act harmfully and honestly from the heart practice for them all without the three concepts (subject, object, action), to follow examples of compassionate ones, like being a medicine for all. What a joyful strenght!

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby White Lotus » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:36 pm

:namaste: are you polishing a brick? whats the use of polishing. the brick is already a perfect brick.

just naturally be. meditate when you meditate. relax when you relax. you are already perfectly so.

theres nothing to realize, realizing nothing is not necessary. you are perfectly so.

in enlightenment, there is no flavour, no tasting, no experience, nothing special.

forgetting your realization is natural. awakenings come and go, rise and fall.

studying at the computer is enlightenment, meditation is enlightenment, eating is enlightenment, sleeping is enlightenment, working in a normal or any job is enlightenment. enlightenment is all things since there is no state called perfective enlightenment. even the spots on your face are perfect enlightenment. there is not a thing that is not perfect enlightenment, this is since there is no state called perfect enlightenment.

if there was a state called perfect enlightenment, it would then not be perfect enlightenment, since it would be a state and all states are subject to coming and going. if i say "i am enlightened", that is a state, and subject to coming and going, experiencing and then forgetting. there is no enlightenment. it cannot be said in enlightenment that i am enlightened, except in that everything is enlightened.

emptiness is not, enlightenment is not. in being not... it is. in being absolutely no thing it represents absolutely every thing. in no dharma is found all dharma. even delusion is perfect enlightenment. there is no need to know that we are enlightened or deluded, there is no difference.

in zen they sometimes say... 'this is it'.

practice is it, polish the mirror as much as you like. non practice is it, why polish a brick? be free. dont burden yourself with unpleasant practices, practice with freedom and no effort (effortlessness). trying too hard you might damage your practice. treat your practice like a little green plant, be gentle with it, water it and give it sunhsine, but dont try to force it to grow. that will only kill it or stunt its growth.

best wishes, White Lotus.

just relax.
wait and you will see.
seek and you will find.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby m0rl0ck » Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:32 am

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby White Lotus » Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:42 pm

:namaste: your thinking is just so.
your practice is just so.
your disillusion is just so.
all is enlightenment,
all is completely enlightened dharma body.
why worry? why not worry? just so.

what you will do will be just so,
what you are is just so.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby White Lotus » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:01 pm

:namaste: whether or not you know it... everything you do is perfect practice, just as it is. we try to avoid things like anger and hatred because they cause us and others pain... but even pain is complete enlightenment. just as it is. so.

drinking water is perfect practice.
thinking about the political situation is perfect practice,
not thinking politics is perfect practice.
walking is perfect practice.
having an ice cream is full unbridled enlightenment.

such is the wondrous nature of 'this' mind... how could what we do ever not be practice. the functioning of any body is a miracle, this is the wondrous functioning of the mind in the apparently mundane.

thich Nat Hahn said... it is not walking on water that i see as the miracle, it is rather that we walk on earth at all that is the miracle. (paraphrase).

best wishes, White Lotus.

walk on earth and you
are the miracle of enlightenment.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby sangyey » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:38 pm

Thank you for your thoughts and insight :smile:

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby Indrajala » Sat May 01, 2010 4:06 am

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby White Lotus » Sat May 01, 2010 7:36 pm

:namaste: by that reasoning even a bullet is completely enlightened. every spot, broken leg, cold, cruel word, misunderstanding, conflict and upset is pure perfect enlightenment. but that does not mean that we involve ourselves in such behaviour, because to do so would be foolish. it would bring causes and consequences that would cause us and others to suffer unnecessarily. nonetheless, all suffering is perfectly enlightened.

please note Huseng that i may be utterly wrong and you will form your own opinion of what is, but it just seems to me that ultimately there is no dualism of right and wrong, good and bad, kind and cruel, but rather that all these things depend on each other for what is.

best wishes, White Lotus.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby catmoon » Sat May 01, 2010 8:09 pm

Is seems to me that this thread is in sore need of a definition of right effort as given in the sutras. I don't have the resources to do that, maybe Retro does?
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Re: Applying Effort

Postby Indrajala » Sun May 02, 2010 1:36 am

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby sangyey » Sun May 02, 2010 1:51 pm

From what I could come up with I think that the actual motivation for working would be a big help just as it is in spiritual practice.

Still sometimes I get kind of bored doing the work though. For example, I am finishing up my last semester at school and I really have to spend a lot of time studying and its gotten to the point where it is becoming tedious because I know that once the semester is over I'm just going to forget most of the information anyway and all the time spent studying will just have not really helped that much. I would much rather just learn the Dharma where I know it is something that I like and is very useful.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby White Lotus » Sun May 02, 2010 3:36 pm

:namaste:

Noble Huseng,

fundamentally all is perfect enlightenment.

do not ignore cause and effect or you become a monster.

be good. I will try to be as well.

best wishes, White Lotus.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby Indrajala » Sun May 02, 2010 5:46 pm

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby kirtu » Sun May 02, 2010 9:22 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Applying Effort

Postby kirtu » Sun May 02, 2010 9:26 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby Dexing » Mon May 03, 2010 2:17 am

nopalabhyate...

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Re: Applying Effort

Postby White Lotus » Mon May 03, 2010 5:07 pm

in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.


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