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Celibacy

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Re: Celebacy

Postby bodom » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:56 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Celebacy

Postby Moth » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:11 pm

May you be happy. May you be a peace. May you be free from suffering.
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Re: Celebacy

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Re: Celebacy

Postby ground » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:10 am

IMO being "sexually active" is cultivation of attachment and distraction and entails additional worldly commitments. Analysing all this may generate the conviction that celibacy is only advantageous in the context of the path.

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Re: Celebacy

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Re: Celebacy

Postby Moth » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:28 pm

To appease desire is to increase desire. The more you engage in sense pleasure the more entagled within it you become. It's equivalent to saying, I'm going to enjoy a healthy smoking habit until I realize the unwholesomeness of smoking. You may end up carrying that sentiment to the grave.
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Re: Celebacy

Postby Dan74 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:37 pm

This depends on what is meant by "appeasing."

Exercising reasonable restraint like in the Precepts is not appeasing.

Being pragmatic about what is achievable at the stage one is at is not appeasing. It is facing reality as it is.

Generating deeper faith in the Dhamma and stronger commitment, more and more becomes achievable but there is no use in fooling oneself.

Sensual desire is a lot deeper ingrained than smoking which is an acquired habit and can be dropped much more easily.

It has to be dealt with skillfully through insight and using the knowledge of the mind and deep commitment to the Dhamma rather than sledgehammer methods or slogans that do not draw from experience and do not feed into it in a healthy constructive way. These will just increase suffering and desire will be swept under the carpet (because it is judged to be unwholesome) rather than truly left behind. It will then manifest in much more unwholesome and unnatural ways.

Working with desire and with passions rather than browbeating them into submission is the way suggested by great masters of all schools from Ajahn Chah to Suzuki Roshi.

At least so it seems to me.

On the other hand if one is truly ready to leave it behind, then :bow:
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Re: Celebacy

Postby bodom » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:29 am

Being averse to sensuality is as much an entanglement as craving for it is. Better to keep an even mind.

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Celebacy

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Re: Celebacy

Postby bodom » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:23 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Celebacy

Postby manas » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:57 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Celebacy

Postby Viriya » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:11 pm

I'm a medical student. I see cadavars every week, dissected and preserved sexual organs.

At present, I'm running a set of experiments culturing microbes taken from human skin, vaginal swabs and faeces.

I have very little sexual desire.

Casual link between the two?

Maybe. A combination of 'asubha' meditation (contemplating the repulsiveness of the body), relentless questioning of desire (Why do I feel this way? Do I really want to feel this way? Where did the feeling originate? Where is it going to go?), reading verses from the suttas/from Thai forest monks dealing with craving, and experience with corpses really worked for me.

All I know is that I never realised how burdensome a thing it was until it naturally fizzled out. All that mental energy! All those tears! All the psychological hang-ups, chasing after this and that! So, definitely beneficial if you can do it the right way, as previous posters have elaborated on.

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Re: Celebacy

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Re: Celebacy

Postby Viriya » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:22 pm

I think it was Ajahn Mun, or one of his revered disciples, maybe Venerable Maha Bua or Venerable Ajahn Khao, who likened raga-tanha to a fire. When kept in the kitchen, it can be useful for heating. When let loose in a forest, it can cause havoc.

So, maybe it ought to be treated like a fire. Watch it. Do some back-burning on uposatha. Place in a set boundary, that of the precept against sexual misconduct. Don't play with it. Don't give it unlimited fuel. And when appropriate, by all means, use it for its useful purpose!
I'm not very good at right speech, although I try, so please guide and correct me if necessary so I don't make bad kamma for myself and cause others to be annoyed. (=

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Re: Celebacy

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Re: Celebacy

Postby Alex123 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:12 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Celebacy

Postby bodom » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:20 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Celebacy

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Re: Celebacy

Postby Alex123 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:09 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Celebacy

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