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Can my cat be reborn as a human being?

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Postby Vardali » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:01 pm

I am having my cats around listening to Dhamma talks and sutta talks; I doubt that they benefit much from that but you never know, some are sitting nicely and quietly on my lap :stirthepot:

But seriously, I find it very anthropocentric to assume that only us humans can understand the dhamma because, frankly, we don't really have any idea how animal minds work. I am sure they don't understand our concepts and words but who is to say they do not grasp at least some of the nature of the dhamma as well as we do? Like being in the moment? They accept suffering with an equanamity that humans need to match, first. They are very forgiving, and can be very gentle and kind etc. How do we know that they have their own terms and understanding of the dhamma just because we cannot imagine anything beyond our own words and concepts?

Having said that, the predatory nature of cats is a bit of hindrance for them - though half of my cats would be incapable of killing anything, really (the other half, however, is in fact quite proficient in killing); it's all about socialization.

Btw, my cats are indoor cats with some controlled garden access; and declawing fortunately is considered forbidden in this country as it is considered cruel.
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Postby Aloka » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:45 pm

Hi octathlon,

I think we will just have to agree to disagree on a number of points, because it is past my bedtime now....oh and we don't have coyotes in the UK, by the way.

kind regards,

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Pleasant dreams, Aloka! :smile:

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Postby BubbaBuddhist » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:05 am

Well, let me try this from another angle. :lol: Try this on:

Rebirth must be seen against the infinite background of Samsara--"beginningless time." There is a nearly inexhaustible reserve of both wholesome and unwholesome kamma/vipaka. The primary factor determining a being's birth is the final moment of consciousness --relinking consciousness as it's known in Abhidhamma. But in the case of animals, who may not necessarily possess a moral sense, they are passive victims of the manifestation of past accumulation of wholesome or unwholesome vipakas of kamma. Since they are passive victims of this past kamma, this is why it's so difficult to escape the animal kingdom. Also why human birth is difficult. It's nearly impossible for a human to wholesomely condition his or her consciousness, especially toward the end of life. A large number people die in a state of fear or confusion, or drugged into unconsciousness. The relinking consciousness is therefore either unwholesome or absent altogether. Animals have little opportunity to manifest wholesome kamma, unlike humans who can make wholesome choices. Such as practicing dhamma. Occasionally the vipaka of wholesome kamma manifests and human birth occurs. Lucky us.
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Postby BubbaBuddhist » Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:47 pm

Boo was a very gentle cat. I had to leave him behind when i was divorced. He watched me pack my stuff and leave. One of the last things I took was a handbag I kept personal papers in. I moved to Indiana and began a new life.

When i took out the handbag to look at the papers some weeks after my move, Boo had placed one of his favorite toy mice in it. I think he wanted to give it to me to remember him by. Not ashamed to say when I found it I wept for an hour.

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Re: Can my cat be reborn as a human being?

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What I really want to know is whether a bacterium (a bad one) can be reborn as virus.

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Postby Ben » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:58 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
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