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Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

Postby Lazy_eye » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:59 pm

Both you and Sunrise seem to be minimizing its significance and insisting, instead, that we direct the OP to the supramundane teachings. But for the majority of laypeople, myself included, these "mundane" aspects of the dhamma are quite important, maybe even more so than the "yogic" aspects which, traditionally, were often limited to renunciants.

Also, it's not correct to say that all the religious morality systems are alike. There are some important distinctions. For example, my Christian friends have no problem with the butchering of animals because they believe it is sanctioned by the Bible.

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

Postby JeffR » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:35 pm

Rybak303,
Back to your original question; here is a link


There are links on that page that will take you into further explanation on Kamma, human birth, etc. Please note that Buddha refuted the idea of reincarnation, the rebirths we experience is more of continual existence of a stream of consciousness which is reborn into various realms of the (or lack of) senses. Don't spend to much time wrapping your head around what the difference is, it takes awhile to grasp the concept.

A quote from the link given that may benefit others:
"It is pointless to debate whether these realms are real or simply fanciful metaphors that describe the various mind-states we might experience in this lifetime. The real message of this cosmology is this: unless we take steps to break free of the iron grip of kamma, we are doomed to wander aimlessly from one state to another, with true peace and satisfaction forever out of reach."

-Jeff :buddha2:

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

Postby Sunrise » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:47 pm

Just to be fair to the OP please also note that "stream of consciousness" does not appear in pali suttas. They appear in later essays.

It is not pointless to observe the realms as mind states as it is perfectly verifiable in the here and now if you are mindful enough. So please observe the way your mind experiences these realms day to day.

:anjali:

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

Postby JeffR » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:52 pm

Your choice Rybak,
Suttas or Sunrise.

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:32 am

I am locking this thread for right now in order to further review this thread, which seems to be taken way off course.

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Re: Confusion about Karma and Reincarnation

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:16 am

Simply, this is not a debate section, but this thread is starting to move in that direction. Maybe expressing one's opinions with a little less stridency and allowing that other opinions have their place within the context of the OP might be the way to go.

If one wants debate, then please take it to The Dhammic free-for-all section, home of .

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