No Proofs of Sucessful Rebirths?&Are Pure Land sutras real?

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Re: No Proofs of Sucessful Rebirths?&Are Pure Land sutras real?

Postby Nosta » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:01 am

I know that Pureland is not the limit, but the meanings to an end (Nirvana).
I also know that signals (you know, visions, strange smells, etc during sucessful rebirths) are even much less important.

The thing is what i alread explained: with reports, one faith would be greater.

But i should say, that despite my quest on reports of sucessful reports, i am reading ebooks on Pure Land (with little reports as explained on other posts i wrote), about the practice and theory itself. I am also doing recitations, more or less daily. So, as you can see, the doubts are one thing, practice is other. My intuition says that Pure Land is real, my scientific mind says not. And thats the hell of a fight! :-D

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Postby Huifeng » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:23 am

Best if you can find a group of dedicated Pureland practitioners. If you can associate yourself with a well established group, then you'll learn a lot from them. There will always be lots of stuff to inspire your practice - stories of others' success, and their own behavior, too. If it is a group that does what we may call "dead-bed recital" on a fairly regular basis, then there will doubtless be lots of interesting anecdotal incidents, as well. If you have a local Chinese samgha or lay community nearby, that would be my first place to start looking.


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Re: No Proofs of Sucessful Rebirths?&Are Pure Land sutras real?

Postby Luke » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:29 pm

Nosta,

Other Buddhist deities besides Amitabha have their own pure lands as well (Avalokitesvara, Varjrayogini, Medicine Buddha, etc.) You might enjoy reading about these other deities' pure lands also.

I hope you succeed in your quest to be reborn in a pure land.

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Postby Nosta » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:15 pm

In Portugal there is almost anything like buddhist centers, even less in my town. I am too far away from any kind of buddhist association, even less one about Pure Land.

About other deities Luke, i tought that Avalokitsvara was "living" in Amithaba Pure Land. Didnt knew that she has a Pure Land of her own. Interesting.

If you people have some interesting storys to tell about pure land recitation (like a vision you may had, maybe an auspicious dream, a sound, a smell, etc), you could post here in this thread. :-) It would be nice.

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Postby Sonrisa » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:04 am

I remember E-sangha used to have such a HUGE collection on these type of things. Once, there was even a poster there who was telling us of the accounts that were occurring when she went to a NDE Pure land recitation.

Nosta, I too have gone through the same exact thing you are going through. It's not easy. You have to keep looking and asking. It is best if you found some online buddies who practice similar things so they can help you. This has worked for me. I still have my doubts to be honest but I think of the Great Masters and lay people and say "If they can do it, why cant I"? These friends have been involved in the dharma waaaay longer than I have been.

Dont worry, you are not alone. Stay strong and hang in there. Time will also heal.

Somewhere in this page, someone posted a link to a certain master that was from China and moved to Taiwan. Did you know that this particular master was illiterate? If I remember his story correctly (and please take it with a grain of salt) his parents were poor and left him. The Amitabha sutra says that anyone, whether intelligent or simple minded will be able to take rebirth in his Pure land.

I know it is difficult, but PLEASE try to remain strong. Like I said, I have been through a similar situation. I am now here, happy with the Mahayana/Pure land path. If you look at things with a good intention, you will find that the sutras contain profound wisdom.

Namo Guan Shr Yin Pu Sa

I believe in this Bodhisattva as well and feel that she has helped me. If you can, try reciting her name.
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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: No Proofs of Sucessful Rebirths?&Are Pure Land sutras real?

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Postby Bodhi » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:07 pm

Wherever you are, that is where the mind should be. Always be mindful, and be your own master. This is true freedom. - Grand Master Wei Chueh

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Postby Nosta » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:24 pm

I already read your answer. Thank you a lot!

I am thankful too to the last answers of other members too :-)

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Postby Bodhi » Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:54 pm

Wherever you are, that is where the mind should be. Always be mindful, and be your own master. This is true freedom. - Grand Master Wei Chueh

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Postby Nosta » Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:23 pm

I believe on Amitabha, but i need to make such questions in order to increase my Faith. The kind of discussion we are having here and the wise teachings that members of the forum are posting are the stuff that helps people like me to get more Faith.

Thanks for the texts you posted here Bodhi, on your last message. They were very useful for me, and i am happy for reading them.

Unfortunatly i think that there almost anything to read about Pure Land on english. The ebooks i found are always the same ebooks on different websites lol (but they are great ebooks from great masters!).

In fact i am reading (and study) one of these ebooks: Buddhism of Wisdom and Faith. Very nice and probably one of the best ebooks about Pure Land.

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Postby Bodhi » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:24 am

Wherever you are, that is where the mind should be. Always be mindful, and be your own master. This is true freedom. - Grand Master Wei Chueh

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Postby Nosta » Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:17 pm

Nice! Thanks!

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Postby DGA » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:14 pm

This is a bit to the side of the main question of successful rebirths, but it does speak to the broader issue of Pure Land practice and its effectiveness.

On Mt Hiei in Japan, there are a series of very intensive meditation practices that are available for students who are prepared to take them on. One of them is walking Amida practice: you practice nembutsu (repeating the name), visualization, and circumambulation for many days nonstop. No breaks for food or sleep. It's unbelievable but people do it. It's been said to me that this the practice is complete when someone looks into your eyes and sees Amida there looking back.

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Re: No Proofs of Sucessful Rebirths?&Are Pure Land sutras real?

Postby Nosta » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:16 am

Wow!

Where can i found more information about that?

I just do a very small number of recitations! I feel bad, like if my practice is not enough, but i cant abandon my life and doing recitations all the time :-(

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Postby Bodhi » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:39 am

Wherever you are, that is where the mind should be. Always be mindful, and be your own master. This is true freedom. - Grand Master Wei Chueh


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