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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sönam » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:17 am

With such a situation, why Greek did'nt go into insurection? ... I guess that if it would happen in France, it would be the revolution. Maybe I'm wrong, it's no more so today.

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:27 pm

Really? You think it is so simple?

Why did the indignados fail? Two factors: 1. Lack of imagination, ie no collective vision of what can happen. 2. Nobody is willing to die in oreder to avert losing their HiDef wide screens, holiday houses and 4x4 SUV.

If the only thing needed for revolution is poor people then 80% of the wold would be in a state of revolution.

Capitalism has fragmented us and made us lose our sense of collective identity. We cannot envisage something better for all of us, an ideal worth sacrificing ourselves for. We only look to making things better for ourselves and there's no use in dying to make things better for ourselves is there?

No ideology, no revolution. Just uprisings and short lived revolts. Like what happened in France a couple of years back, England last year and Athens last week.
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sönam » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:34 pm

therefore ...

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:44 pm

Yet another interesting and well researched documentary on the situation in Greece, a decent analysis of the factors that lead to the current situation plus some proposals on how change can occur within the framework of existing economic/political models (democratic capitalism).
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:20 pm

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby kirtu » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:40 pm

Are there any Aegean Island or mountain communities that are in effect creating a new Greece (without the civil war aspects)?

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby catmoon » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:29 pm

Ok, so now the local coke dealer can hire a cop?
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:19 pm

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:23 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Thrasymachus » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:22 am

The Northern Europeans clearly are gonna expand their imperial dominion in a few years to Southern Europe. Instead of using a formal occupation army like they would in the past, they will use debt peonage and local political puppets. It is clear that the Greek politicians who fled to France, Germany and other European nations during 1967-74 junta to Europe flipped from being American clients to European ones and changed their tact accordingly after their return.

There are lots of other factors like high local societal greed exercised through parasitic state clientèlism, but a big factor is the jump of the Greek political crooks in promoting propaganda that the benevolent and "non-imperial" Northern Europeans would solve their problems via the EU. In every other business, even under crooked capitalism, there is no guaranteed profit except if you are a bank.

I will not go into the falsity of the doctrine of participatory democracy in an unimaginably complex society via the weak social force of voting as a citizen.

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Konchog1 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:59 am

"Blood and honor, golden dawn!"

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Sönam » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:32 am

Financial dictature mades it ... Chryssi Avghi
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:42 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby Grigoris » Mon May 07, 2012 10:23 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Mon May 07, 2012 12:09 pm

. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Democracy in the country that gave birth to democracy

Postby kirtu » Mon May 07, 2012 3:26 pm

Greg - I can't find a tabular breakdown on the voting results (haven't looked in the German press yet though) - do you have a link to a tabular view of the election results by party?

Found one at this is a Greek media table and is easier to see on my browser .

Do Syriza and Pasok results reflect urban voting? Pasok is Papanderou's party?

Thanks!

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