Why on earth would you want to suffer if you didn't have to? Or, more's the point, wish it upon any else if it was unneccesary?
Duality [the duality that exists pre-enlightenment] is over, finito, curtains.
And perhaps, Lotwell, if the picture above was of you or your child, you might feel differently.
I find the initial questions to be absurd, however granted you are just sincerely asking.
Suffering is not beautiful, I think you can only say that from a space of fair comfort, and obviously you've had some suffering in your life but not likely very extreme cases as does happen to others.
Certainty The buddha is not 'just as human' as the rest of us, he may have appeared in a human body and that body itself had limitations, but buddha is beyond suffering, and he is beyond being a normal human as human being is a realm of samsara, he was not bound by samsara, so it is not fit to say he is a normal human, as he was outside of the human realm, it being a realm of samsara but of course he had a human form for the duration of his life.
I doubt this would be your view if you were born in the hell realms, I think only some humans with some degree of luxury can day dream about how suffering is beautiful, to me it lacks being realistic, and I don't think it would hold up to intense suffering. Mind you in general are lives are 'ok' but there will come times where sickness old age and death will happen to us. We may be reborn in the lower realms were there suffering is much more intense, or in the realms where the suffering has no end, so no suffering is not some beautiful and wonderful thing.
Your ideas just seem way off track man .. really now ..
lotwell wrote:yes that's true. this thread is circulus in probando.
actually its just the opposite mr. distracted. i've already been practing living compassion in the face of suffering but wanted to understand it intellectually within the context of buddhist philosophy.
MrDistracted wrote:You really won't have to look far if you just come out of your head and into your heart.
MrDistracted wrote:Then I apologise for jumping to conclusions too soon.
If the truth be told, my blood pressure has been aggravated by hearing elsewhere a bit of new agey fluff about the 'purpose', and the 'gift' of suffering. As if there is a kind of cosmic training scheme going on and suffering is one of the lessons generously given to us. I find this kind of attitude patronising and self indulgent, as it's usually promoted by people who seem to be very comfortable and seem to thrive on other people's issues and dramas. Perhaps that coloured my response to you. I'm sorry for that.
So yes, a slap on the wrist for me and an apology to you.
Because it's the ultimate goal of the bodhisattva's path? ie You answered your own question?lotwell wrote:Based on the assumption that the end of all suffering is the ultimate goal of the bodhisattva's path, why end suffering?
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