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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:08 pm 
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Do you know how to comission Lamas to perform the Naga offering puja?

Do you know if the Naga Torma - Lutor - offered at http://monlam.org/moreprayers.html is a naga offering puja?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:22 pm 
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You can learn to do these for yourself as well.
It would probably be better if you did.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:42 pm 
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Nangwa wrote:
You can learn to do these for yourself as well.
It would probably be better if you did.

The practice for the naga booklet does not provide sufficient instructions for doing the practice, and I don't have someone to ask (no DC-group here in Norway). Are you familiar with this practice?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:06 pm 
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You could try it here: www.monlam.org

Good luck.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:15 am 
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Inge wrote:
Do you know how to comission Lamas to perform the Naga offering puja? Do you know if the Naga Torma - Lutor - offered at http://monlam.org/moreprayers.html is a naga offering puja?


Yes Lutor is an offering to the nagas usually performed to help overcome sickness and spirit interference but may also be done to appease local nagas if building in or moving to a new area or dwelling. There can be other reasons as well. Best not to do it yourself unless you have been advised by a Lama and even then you have to be careful to follow the prescribed method on the astrologically correct days. Not doing it properly can lead to increased harm.

You can write to Lamas or monasteries and request they perform the ritual on your behalf. There is an excellent puja by request service here:
http://kopanmonastery.com/pujas_request.html


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:16 am 
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Inge wrote:
Do you know how to comission Lamas to perform the Naga offering puja? Do you know if the Naga Torma - Lutor - offered at http://monlam.org/moreprayers.html is a naga offering puja?


Yes Lutor is an offering to the nagas usually performed to help overcome sickness and spirit interference but may also be done to appease local nagas if building in or moving to a new area or dwelling. There can be other reasons as well. Best not to do it yourself unless you have been advised by a Lama and even then you have to be careful to follow the prescribed method on the astrologically correct days. Not doing it properly can lead to increased harm.

You can write to Lamas or monasteries and request they perform the ritual on your behalf. There is an excellent puja by request service here:
http://kopanmonastery.com/pujas_request.html
How would offerings made in Kopan appease the Nagas living under your house?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:33 am 
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How would offerings made in Kopan appease the Nagas living under your house?

How pujas work is a magical and mysterious aspect of Mahayana/Vajrayana practice somehow related to karma, interdependence and the power of the Dharma but it's hard to understand and explain so I don't really know the answer to your question. There are many things to take into account and the specific problem, type of puja, where it's done, when, by whom and how often are all relevant considerations. For certainty it's best to check with a qualified Lama. A puja performed in Nepal for a naga interference at your house in another country is not guaranteed to work as it might need to be done on site, but it often will.


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I would reccomend you go find a lama to teach it to you.

It's actually quite a short and simple practice (the torma is a little strange, but not really complicated)

You don't have to get it from DC, all traditions do the practice (Hindus too).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:52 pm 
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Tilopa wrote:
You can write to Lamas or monasteries and request they perform the ritual on your behalf. There is an excellent puja by request service here:
http://kopanmonastery.com/pujas_request.html


Great, I did not know of this service. Thanks.


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gregkavarnos wrote:
I would reccomend you go find a lama to teach it to you.

It's actually quite a short and simple practice (the torma is a little strange, but not really complicated)

You don't have to get it from DC, all traditions do the practice (Hindus too).
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That's an option I hadn't even considered. So thank you for that reccomendation.


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Either that, or seek an empowerment and learn one of the Garuda sadhanas for dealing with Nagas, spirits, sicknesses etc.
Some are very powerful. ;)

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Placation is always easier than attempting to overpower.

The weakest can easily placate even the strongest foe through offering.

Overpowering and destruction should always be the last options taken.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:30 am 
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gregkavarnos wrote:
Placation is always easier than attempting to overpower.

The weakest can easily placate even the strongest foe through offering.

Overpowering and destruction should always be the last options taken.
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Garuda practices offer those options. For example in the Multicoloured (rainbow) Garuda Yidam practice, after meditation wishing all beings may experience equanimity, loving kindness, compassion and joyfulness, there is the generation of special bodhichitta and the Nagas are offered care and refuge, and there is also the possibility of wrathful action, including action as Garuda Vajrapani.

Others, such as the Fire Sword of Black Garuda, contain both pacifying and wrathful mantras and actions. ;)

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