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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby chownah » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:04 pm

Wow,.....I read the first page of this thread and then went to the last page before posting and I had to go back to the first page to make sure I was in the same thread.......I thought this thread was about whether people should pay for dhamma lessons.....at the risk of going off topic I'd like to address that issue:

I haven't read the entire thread so pardon me if I'm repeating some idea already presented.....my Tai Chi instructor taught us that we should charge a small fee for instruction because many people would take it more seriously if they were charged something (this was in the USA) but one should NEVER NEVER NEVER make a living from teaching and one should not even rely on teaching as an important or necessary source of income.

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PS...again....sorry if I've derailed the discussion....
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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby Vepacitta » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:11 pm

Ahem - first of all schmuck is a really really strong word - I mean - really strong and nasty ... Yiddish has gotten diluted over the years - but if you knew it's real meaning - you might not want to use it except when truly necessary ...

Second of all - my point about the whole eyelid thingie is I can do it! Over and over and over! And I know I'm most emphatically not a stream enterer! In other words - I don't think it's a very good test at all. Some people get phenomena easily in mediation - and it doesn't mean anything - that was the point. I'll bet there's other people here who can do the eye thingie - even if they're mired in tanha uppadana bhava - because they just have a talent for that kind of thing.

It's no big thing - it can delude a person. One has to be careful.

And yes - if you can watch your mental conditions cease - really see that - especially as regards the more heated emotions like anger, hatred, greed - then you've really done something. Personally, I have to use the stupid, inconsequential thoughts to do that - there's far too much attachment and tendency to ill will for me to just sit back and watch 'heavy' formations cease. But it's a process and patience is a big part of that process.

And although I don't like seeing the words 'unintelligent postings' and 'schmuck' and other things bandied about - well - I also don't think one should just stand back and accept everything that's said especially if you are pretty sure that it isn't what was spoken of in the pali suttas. The suttas are as close as we are going to get to the words of the Buddha - and no - they aren't perfect either - but one does the best one can.

So - sure - I could be wrong - but I don't think so - I know what I've read - I know what doesn't 'smell' right. I don't have to be nasty about it - but I"m not gonna roll over and 'go along'.

And if anyone recalls - a certain person came in here and rather strongly disagreed with the thread and didn't even want us discussing things - which was about donations, dhamma for pay, dana, etc.

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby EnterTheMarketplace » Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:30 pm

Yes, you are being overly harsh.

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby Kenshou » Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:34 pm

Mhm, I know of that as a Chan practice. I think asking "who am I?" can be a useful exercise, asking a person to pry into what comprises the sense of self, but, to reify that into a "transpersonal "I" is what I think sounds like a good way to strengthen self-delusion.

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

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Postby Prasadachitta » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:22 pm

I think one of the most valuable experiences worth talking about is the experience of noticing our desire for and attachment to an established way of interpreting and conveying "what is" and "what is not" withn regard to our experience. I think this attachment is occuring whether we reject or accept assosiating our experience with lofty stages of the path. I also think this is true whether or not we are accurate in our interpretation.

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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:42 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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