Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Postby Vepacitta » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:57 am

Friend Goedert :

Thank you for sharing that beautiful gatha!

V.


NB - I think Nibs means well. And Nibs, I do think awakening - nibbana - is available to everyone - right now - here in this lifetime. And I think the others are saying this as well. No one here has said otherwise.

From your friendly, neighbourhood Asura,

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby upekkha » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:30 am

Or maybe.. there are those who can induce cessations, having crossed stream-entry. those who can induce cessations (nama-rupa-nirodha) have found watching eye-flickering to be a good method of attaining it.
Do you consider that a possibility or is it out of the question, Tilt?

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:33 am

:rofl: "eye flickering" as a skillful means.... :rofl:
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby upekkha » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:48 am

Well, after going beyond the 11th nyana (Equanimity regarding formations) for the first time and attaining cessation or nibbana, the momentary cessation of mind&body, one is in what's often called a 'Review phase', that is, one can attain Fruition of first path at will, but it takes practice.

After Kenneth attained first path, Sayadaw U Kundala (Mahasi tradition lineage holder) taught him to pay close attention to the sudden ending of sensations, in order to induce cessation, or fruition. He found that observing closely eye flickering is a good technique of attaining cessation (after one has attained first path already).

So while it does work for those who have attained first path at least, it does not work for those who did not, that is why it seems like nothing to you, because you have probably yet to attain first path.

You can find references to this technique in the suttas themselves, where it instructs one to pay close attention to the cessation of sensations. The only difference is that the instruction here is to notice it about sensations in a specific physical area.

Now, I hope that answers your question. I don't see anything else I can contribute to this thread. I hope you got my message (always make room for the possibility that you are wrong, or that you may change your opinion later).

Have a good happy day :namaste:
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Re: Latest from "hardcore dharma"

Postby bodom » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:53 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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