edearl wrote:According to the doctors who produced the documentary Forks Over Knives a vegan diet heals many cancers as well as veins and arteries that are clogged with cholesterol. The documentary also says that vegans are protected from osteoporosis and diabetes. Forks Over Knives is worth watching several times.
edearl wrote:The documentary also says that vegans are protected from ... diabetes.
Nemo wrote:The science behind the claims in Forks Over Knives is so selectively chosen that it can't really be taken seriously. Though the subjects on the low animal protein group did not exhibit cancer 40% of them died and exhibited greater levels of liver necrosis than the high animal protein group. 100% of the high animal protein group survived.
The science so far says that in large groups it all evens out. There is very little difference between veggies and ominvores outcomes. Some sub groups thrive on either diet. One in 40,000 can actually die from a purely vegetarian diet. Many others thrive once they give up meat products, especially the saturated fat.
I'm finding that I can go veggie for days now by supplementing carnitine. I merely have to up from 500mg a day to 1 gram. This is quite fascinating.
padma norbu wrote:i enjoy it, personally... i eat meat when it is offered, but otherwise not. I always feel the difference; meat makes you feel like filth, basically. Is Forks Over Knives still streaming on Netflix? I can check in an instant, of course, just being lazy.
ghost01 wrote:I have been thinking about trying vegetarianism at least, vegan-ism may be a bit much.. My body sometimes will not lose the feeling of hunger until I eat meat.. how long does it take for that to go away?
What were your experiences in switching to a no meat diet?
dakini_boi wrote:edearl wrote:According to the doctors who produced the documentary Forks Over Knives a vegan diet heals many cancers as well as veins and arteries that are clogged with cholesterol. The documentary also says that vegans are protected from osteoporosis and diabetes. Forks Over Knives is worth watching several times.
It's important to mention that not any vegan diet will produce these results. In fact, vegans can easily be far more unhealthy than meat eaters, if they are not conscientious. Many damaging processed foods are technically vegan - such as refined flour, poor-quality plant fats (including hydrogenated oils), processed sugar, just to name a few. So I think a diet based on whole foods is the key. If someone is eating a typical diet of developed nations consisting of processed foods, fast foods, etc - then I think it's far more skillful to start eliminating these foods than to eliminate animal products per se. Then when you have stabilized on a diet based on organic whole grains, legumes, fruits & vegetables, pasture-raised animal products - then one may be able to transition to less animal products, and possibly eliminate them completely. But I've known many who went straight to vegan, but found they had no idea what to eat, other than processed soy and wheat "meat," vegan pizzas, etc - and their health suffered for it.
Now I haven't seen the film mentioned, and I imagine that the type of vegan diet promoted in the film is a healthy one - I just thought I'd post the above for the casual reader, so they don't have an unrealistic idea about a generalized "vegan diet."
ghost01 wrote:Thanks, definitely helpful information.
At this point I think my tastes for meat may be more addictive in nature than anything, so much grease, sugar etc. I have noticed at least with soda that after I quit drinking it, I really have no desire to anymore..
Anyways, I think I will try veggy spaghetti tonight, sounds very good actually!
Nemo wrote:Forks Over Knives is very ironic at times. About 15 minutes in they talk about diets high in animal protein causing cancer. In an Indian study mice on a very low animal protein diet exhibited less cancer than mice on a high animal protein diet. The mice were poisoned by aflatoxin. A fungal toxin found on fruits, veggies and grains. Especially nuts and legumes like peanuts. Liver cancer being one of the most common cancers among Vegans who ate tons of nuts back in the day when we didn't check for aflatoxin, probably including Steve Jobs.
Rats on the high animal protein diet got cancer. Fact! *
*But they all lived.
40% of the low animal protein diet rats died and the survivors showed significantly more liver necrosis than the carnivores.
But they didn't get cancer.
Stats show an insignificant difference between the cancer rates of veggies and omnivores.