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 Post subject: Re: Basic Question
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:22 am 
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sangyey wrote:
Would these things cover Bodhicitta?

Stages of Bodhichitta by Dr Berzin
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/sutra/level2_lamrim/advanced_scope/bodhichitta/stages_bodhichitta.html

once you have the definitions down it's good to like i said debate it. Je Tsongkhapa for example says that ultimate bodhichitta is not a type of bodhichitta


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 Post subject: Re: Basic Question
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:44 pm 
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5heaps wrote:
sangyey wrote:
Would these things cover Bodhicitta?

Stages of Bodhichitta by Dr Berzin
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/sutra/level2_lamrim/advanced_scope/bodhichitta/stages_bodhichitta.html

once you have the definitions down it's good to like i said debate it. Je Tsongkhapa for example says that ultimate bodhichitta is not a type of bodhichitta


Could you give a citation please/reference to text/chapter where Je Tsongkhapa says this? Was wondering about the context.

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Do the two aspect of Bodhicitta: love and compassion and the wish to attain enlightement mean the same thing as conventinal Bodhicitta and Ultimate Bodhictta?

Whereas practicing love and compassion equates with conventional Bodhicitta and the aspiration to attain enlightenment equates with ultimate Bodhicitta (or the wisdom realizing emptiness)?

Or should they be taken as seperate categorizations?

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 Post subject: Re: Basic Question
PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:34 am 
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The Berzin site answered a lot of my questions. :thanks:


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 Post subject: Re: Basic Question
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sangyey wrote:
Do the two aspect of Bodhicitta: love and compassion and the wish to attain enlightement mean the same thing as conventinal Bodhicitta and Ultimate Bodhictta?

Whereas practicing love and compassion equates with conventional Bodhicitta and the aspiration to attain enlightenment equates with ultimate Bodhicitta (or the wisdom realizing emptiness)?

Or should they be taken as seperate categorizations?

:thanks:


Not sure if you got a clearer picture from Alex Berzion's site, but once again here goes anyway:

Love and compassion form the basis of generating (conventional) Bodhicitta - the wish/mind of enlightenment. Conventional Bodhicitta is pretty much defined as the method aspect of Bodhicitta.

Bodhicitta itself is defined as the transformed main mind whose mode of being is that of wishing to effectively liberate all beings from their suffering, accompanied by the aspiration to attain Buddhahood through ultimate wisdom (omniscience) in order to fulfill that goal. It must be accompanied by that aspiration to be effective.

So in reality there is the 'main mind/general consciousness' that wishes to liberate accompanied by the mental factor of totally committed aspiration to perfection as a Buddha.

The wisdom aspect is called the Ultimate Bodhicitta..


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 Post subject: Re: Basic Question
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Thank you for deepening my understanding.


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Do the two accumulations relate directly to the method and wisdom aspects? For instance with the method aspect would the cultivation of loving-kindness fall under the accumulation of merit?


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sangyey wrote:
Do the two accumulations relate directly to the method and wisdom aspects? For instance with the method aspect would the cultivation of loving-kindness fall under the accumulation of merit?


Exactly.


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