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Visuddhimagga a mistake?

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Visuddhimagga a mistake?

Postby mirco » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:47 pm

Split from: Classic commentaries - where to start? viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4340

But remember:

There are fundamental mistakes in the Visuddhimagga

concerning Right and Right .

About fifteen years after publishing the VM, the Venerables tried to straighten that out, but it had spread too fast.
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"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

Postby mirco » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:07 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

Postby mirco » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:09 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

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"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

Postby mirco » Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:28 am

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

Postby Ben » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:00 am

In support of Tilt...
Its very important, particularly in this forum, that claims are supported by documentary evidence from the Tipitaka or the ancient commentaries. The reason why some people insist on providing evidence is so that we do not, inadvertently, put words into the Buddha's mouth or propagate an interpretation that is blatantly incorrect or is not consistent with the author and/or the historical evidence.
As has already mentioned, this sub-forum is a place specifically set up for the discussion of the Classical Theravada. The ancient canonical and commentarial literature,as well as the Abhidhamma, are considered authoritative for discussion purposes. The sub-forum allows our members to discuss the ancient texts without the noise of points of view that are inconsistent with the Mahavihara. The sub-forum was set up to fascilitate friendly discussion and to promote a deeper understanding of Classical Theravada, not to silence divergent points of view. Criticisms of the commentaries and abhidhamma are more appropriately conducted in some of our other sub-fora, such as 'Dhammic-free-for-all' and 'Theravada in the modern world'.
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Re: Classic commentaries - where to start?

Postby mirco » Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:35 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Visuddhimagga a mistake?

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"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Visuddhimagga a mistake?

Postby pilgrim » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:39 am

I've often come across the position that if something is in the VM and not in the suttas, then the VM should be rejected. I feel that is unnecessary. The VM is an elaboration and extrapolation of the Buddha's teachings. For e.g, the 2 0r 3 techniques of metta meditation is commonly practised throughout the Theravada world without controversy. But we forget that all these metta meditation techniques originates from the VM. You won't find instruction for metta meditation in the suttas.

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