Candrakirti and the ālaya

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

Postby Malcolm » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:53 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

Postby conebeckham » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:09 pm

Also, just to butt in a bit, I don't think Vasubhandu claimed the Alaya, per se, "existed" as an absolute--as for nonconceptual wisdom, the Dharmakaya and the Dharmadhatu, that is a different story. But as for sentient beings, or "persons," they THEMSELVES are the incidental stains.

Now, back to what Chandrakirti may say, regarding the Alaya, and the Afflicted Consciousness.


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

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Human life spent in
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— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

Postby conebeckham » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:43 pm

I think it'd be a good idea to start a thread on Alaya, etc.---sorry for the tangent, I really would like to hear more about Chandra and his positions on the existence, conventional or ultimate (!), of the Alaya. Soooooo.....nevermind.


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

Postby Malcolm » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:44 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

Postby conebeckham » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:04 am

Cloudburst-

Doesn't it make more sense to "birth" a storehouse consciousness, inherent or not, due to things such as "memories," "habits," etc., than to create the notion of ālayavijñāna as that which is merely the "mental consciousness knowing emptiness?"


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

Postby Malcolm » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:21 am





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Candrakirti and the ālaya

Postby Malcolm » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:25 am





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa


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