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Re: Basic Question

Postby 5heaps » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:22 am

sangyey wrote:Would these things cover Bodhicitta?

Stages of Bodhichitta by Dr Berzin
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/sutra/level2_lamrim/advanced_scope/bodhichitta/stages_bodhichitta.html

once you have the definitions down it's good to like i said debate it. Je Tsongkhapa for example says that ultimate bodhichitta is not a type of bodhichitta
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Re: Basic Question

Postby mudra » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:44 pm

5heaps wrote:
sangyey wrote:Would these things cover Bodhicitta?

Stages of Bodhichitta by Dr Berzin
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/sutra/level2_lamrim/advanced_scope/bodhichitta/stages_bodhichitta.html

once you have the definitions down it's good to like i said debate it. Je Tsongkhapa for example says that ultimate bodhichitta is not a type of bodhichitta


Could you give a citation please/reference to text/chapter where Je Tsongkhapa says this? Was wondering about the context.

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Re: Basic Question

Postby sangyey » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:34 pm

Do the two aspect of Bodhicitta: love and compassion and the wish to attain enlightement mean the same thing as conventinal Bodhicitta and Ultimate Bodhictta?

Whereas practicing love and compassion equates with conventional Bodhicitta and the aspiration to attain enlightenment equates with ultimate Bodhicitta (or the wisdom realizing emptiness)?

Or should they be taken as seperate categorizations?

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Re: Basic Question

Postby sangyey » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:34 am

The Berzin site answered a lot of my questions. :thanks:
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Re: Basic Question

Postby mudra » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:04 am

sangyey wrote:Do the two aspect of Bodhicitta: love and compassion and the wish to attain enlightement mean the same thing as conventinal Bodhicitta and Ultimate Bodhictta?

Whereas practicing love and compassion equates with conventional Bodhicitta and the aspiration to attain enlightenment equates with ultimate Bodhicitta (or the wisdom realizing emptiness)?

Or should they be taken as seperate categorizations?

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Not sure if you got a clearer picture from Alex Berzion's site, but once again here goes anyway:

Love and compassion form the basis of generating (conventional) Bodhicitta - the wish/mind of enlightenment. Conventional Bodhicitta is pretty much defined as the method aspect of Bodhicitta.

Bodhicitta itself is defined as the transformed main mind whose mode of being is that of wishing to effectively liberate all beings from their suffering, accompanied by the aspiration to attain Buddhahood through ultimate wisdom (omniscience) in order to fulfill that goal. It must be accompanied by that aspiration to be effective.

So in reality there is the 'main mind/general consciousness' that wishes to liberate accompanied by the mental factor of totally committed aspiration to perfection as a Buddha.

The wisdom aspect is called the Ultimate Bodhicitta..
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Re: Basic Question

Postby sangyey » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:27 pm

Thank you for deepening my understanding.
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Re: Basic Question

Postby sangyey » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:54 pm

Do the two accumulations relate directly to the method and wisdom aspects? For instance with the method aspect would the cultivation of loving-kindness fall under the accumulation of merit?
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Re: Basic Question

Postby mudra » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:37 pm

sangyey wrote:Do the two accumulations relate directly to the method and wisdom aspects? For instance with the method aspect would the cultivation of loving-kindness fall under the accumulation of merit?


Exactly.
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