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Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby Annapurna » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:09 am

Don't know if you heard it, but there is a flood catastrophe in Pakistan that has killed more people than the Tsunami and the Haiti earthquake together.

And with Cholera breaking out, there may soon be many more.

Whilst lots of donations flooded into Haiti and the Tzunami area, support for Pakistan looks poor so far.

What do you think could nbe the reason?

And are you willing to help?
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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:27 am

Greetings,

Aid begins to flow to flood-ravaged Pakistan
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 1TpPG8YCPg

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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby Annapurna » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:30 am

Here is a link from Avaaz to send messages to goverments to take more actions and also to donate a bit if you like.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/pakistan_ne ... 549&v=6971
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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:55 am

The UK government has pledged 32 million sterling ( approx 39 million euro ) . Which dwarfs the contribution of any other individual European nation.
Nick Clegg the Deputy prime Minster has ackowledged the slowness of the worlds response.
The elephant in the room which is spoken of informally, but not so far acknowledged officially, is that western governments have successfully branded Pakistan as a rogue nation which is harbouring Bin Laden and the Taliban..and as a result many people of good will are keeping their wallets and purses closed.
I am not of course condoning this attitude but I think it represents an accurate view.

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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:18 pm

A footnote...the BBC has just conducted an informal poll and large numbers of the public interviewed cited corrupt officials and the indirect funding of the Taliban as reasons for not contributing. There were a number of variations on the theme of their fear that the money they give being used to fund the "insurgency" in Afghanistan which so far has killed almost 400 British soldiers...
Whether the case or not the British press is frequently portraying The Pakistani Government as being complicit with the Taliban.

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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby Ben » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:34 pm

Hi Peter

Didn't wikileaks recently reveal a massive leak of US defence documents that demonstrated the complicity of the Pakistani government with the Taliban? I didn't think it was a matter of perception being massaged by the Press but a reflection of what was actually going on.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Not that I am condoning leaving turning away in Pakistan's hour of need, but I think there is merit for the argument that because of the connection between the Pakistani government and the Taliban, there maybe reluctance to provide aid by some governments and some people.
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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby Tex » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:41 pm

Ben makes a good point. I personally know many Americans who will not send one cent to any nation that trains Islamist terrorists. That is unfortuante in a situation like this where there are innocents suffering, but since 9/11 that's how many people here think.

The US government, however, will doubtless send a great deal of aid, just as it did after the earthquake in Iran in 2003 and the earthquake in Pakistan in 2005.
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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

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Basically its the same situation here in the UK Tex. And many UK citizens are already complaining about the goverments donation...

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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby Fede » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:08 pm

I will be the first to admit that while I have freely donated to other causes, my wallet in this case, is also staying tightly shut. For precisely the reasons Peter cites.
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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:46 pm

I wonder if the economies of so many countries are also part of the problem.
With many governments introducing austerity measures,many people appear to be holding onto their money.
Another thought I had the other day was that after the earthquake in Pakistan,many ordinary pakistanis I saw interviewed appeared to be putting the west down for the amount of money donated.Perhaps some people who gave what they could were a bit put off by this attitude.
One last thought is that since the earthquake,I have also seen effigies of western leaders and flags of countries,such as the U.S.A. and G.B. being burnt on the streets.Maybe folks don't like this. :shrug:
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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby Ben » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:25 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: Why so little donations to Pakistan?

Postby Tex » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:54 pm

U.S. has pledged $150 million so far. Hopefully the Navy can be used to transport supplies as well.

CNN says 1500 dead and over 4 million displaced. The area under water is approximately the size of Italy.
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