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Re: Daniel M. Ingram - Dhamma book written by arahat?

Postby Kenshou » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:22 pm

Well, without trying to flare up a whole different argument, there is also the issue that follows that of what exactly is to be considered the Buddha's teaching...

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Re: Daniel M. Ingram - Dhamma book written by arahat?

Postby nathan » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:13 am

The impression that I have for the reason that there is so much attention and attraction for non-dual and other similar points of view and the related mind states among many of those who have meditated for a long time is that these are artifacts of what Maha Boowa calls here:
http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books ... m#PART%202
the radiant mind or the primordial avija that becomes predominant at a given point. As Ajahn Boowa points out, if one doesn't approach such states with right view and continue to apply the skills of insight and wisdom with continued resolve to this set of conditions one may readily mistake this kind of mind state for full awakening. I think Ajahn Mun had similar points to make as well. This kind of mindset is still an extensively cultivated condition and not simply a case of commonplace or more mundane delusions about progress but one can see how great an obstacle this can pose when the nature of such a state is explained in the context of the extensive practice of samadhi and vipassana by skillful teachers like Ajahn's Boowa and Mun.
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"advice for stream entry"

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Re: "advice for stream entry"

Postby Kenshou » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:40 pm

There is also the issue that when we've got people talking about stream-entry it's quite unlikely that we're all talking about the same thing. There's a whole spectrum of views on that. When you ask "is stream entry possible?" we aren't starting from a mutual foundation of "stream entry = X". Without recognizing that we're all going to be yelling at each other from opposite corners of the house.

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Re: "advice for stream entry"

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:41 pm

Hi Nibs,

Welcome to Dhamma Wheel. You might find it useful to read these threads about Daniel, etc.
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3717
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5053

Personally, I found Daniel's book quite useful, since most of the material is very much the same as what I have learned from my Mahasi-style teachers. Which is, of course, where Daniel learned it. As I said on the second thread, I don't see Daniel as any more "hard core" than, say, U Pandita...

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Re: "advice for stream entry"

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Re: "advice for stream entry"

Postby AdvaitaJ » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:35 am

Nibs,

I think your question would have been better as its own thread, but regardless, to answer your question:

I don't know what's possible or what's not possible. Because I don't know, I regard stream-entry as a possibility. It is entirely conceivable that one or more of us may already be some way down from the seven-to-go and we just haven't realized it yet.

Gil Fronsdal recorded a talk a while back in which he challenged the listener to figure out what their "ultimate goal" is. My answer to that challenge is to 'find out where this path goes'. I don't know how long the path is and I don't know where it will end for me. What I do know is that I'm drawn to it, it "feels" right, and I'm a better person for it.

As for the suttas, et al, there most definitely is knowledge buried in them...perhaps even the secrets of the universe! However, between my work, my workouts, my practice, my family, etc, etc, etc, I don't have time to read/study/understand them the way some here are able to do. But, I do read some everyday, and I'm not just ticking off the pages either. I'm constantly looking for that less obvious meaning or that one phrase that will really tee something special up in my practice. Are they the gospel word of the Buddha? I doubt it. But I do believe his wisdom and teachings are contained in them.

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Re: "advice for stream entry"

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You know where to find me.
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Re: "advice for stream entry"

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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Re: The claim: "I am an ariya."

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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