michaelb wrote:I think one of them is a terma discovered by the Fifth Dalai Lama.
Thanks
michaelb wrote:I think one of them is a terma discovered by the Fifth Dalai Lama.
michaelb wrote:I think one of them is a terma discovered by the Fifth Dalai Lama and another by Dudul Dorje. And I'm guessing it may include a Jangter Drolo.
Thanks Ratna, thanks Michael. That's helped me out.ratna wrote:Also, Dorje Drolo Hūṃ sgrub from the Yangzab; Chöje Lingpa's cycle; Dechen Lingpa's Hūṃ sgrub; Chokling's Rigdzin Dorje Drolo and Kongtrul's Drolo Sangdrup.
From Jangter, there is Thukdrub Dorje Drakpo Tsal and the practice of Guru Drakpo together with the nine deities of Amitayus, but not Drolo, it seems.
michaelb wrote:I think one of them is a terma discovered by the Fifth Dalai Lama and another by Dudul Dorje. And I'm guessing it may include a Jangter Drolo.
You have to join TBRC. Hopefully, if should be a quicker process than joining DC.lelopa wrote:How canyou see the pages 133-135?
I can only read the beginning & end of this book in the reader!
From where could i get this book (or the few pages of the sadhana)?
I think you have to request full access. not sure how it works, though.lelopa wrote:hello!
thx for answering i did register two years ago and i can find texts - but i do not know what to do to read, or downlaod it exept a few pages...or is there any other membership?
Yes, pp 95-100.Pero wrote:Namdrol or someone, is the teaching Rinpoche gave today in the same book as the short sadhana of Dorje Drolo? And if so, on which page?
MrDistracted wrote:Yes, awesome. These are the first teachings, other than reading Crystal and the Way of Light that I've received from Rinpoche, it's pretty mindblowing.
Did I hear it right that he said that he would give the donwang again tomorrow because of the bad connection yesterday?
This was in reference to the mantra recitation and the seed syllable with trondu. For this, it is quality as opposed to quanitity. For example most people's thoughts wander even though they may be banging out thousands of recitations. This is not as effective as doing a smaller amount with focus on the seed syllable and trondu.padma norbu wrote: On either Saturday or Sunday, he said that it was important to have good visualization; this is "quality" practice (his words). Without good visualization, it becomes "quantity."
This was in reference to Anuyoga as opposed to Mahayoga. There is more time taken when visualizing details in Mahayoga...this is not required at all in Anuyoga. This was different than the discussion on having good visualization for mantra recitation with the trondu.Question: before this, I've always heard that we shouldn't work too hard on visualization in Dzogchen practices because it's not development stage practice. Rather, we should visualize in a basic way and just know it is the situation without any doubt. These two ideas seemed to contradict.
There is Guru Yoga in Drollo too...the seed syllable is different. Which is also why Guru Dragphur can be swapped out in place of Drolo in the Short Thun. If you look at the Anuyoga practices, it is the same. Some prefer different deities over others like Garuda for health, or Yellow Tara for wealth. All practices in the community have Guru Yoga, but these particular deities offer the practitioner certain benefits if they need it depending upon the circumstance. If one has the merit and wisdom, then sure, Guru Yoga as done in the Tun's are enough.Today he said, as he always does, that the most important practice is guru yoga. I do not recall his exact words, but he said something to the effect that he would be happy if his students abandoned a lot of other practices and just performed guru yoga. I can never quite figure out what is the point of all these other practices if this is the case. Surely, these practices must be somehow more beneficial to us depending on circumstances, but it seems like it always boils down to 'there is no practice more beneficial than guru yoga.' ....
His comment on Quality vs. Quality was in reference to our focus and intention. At first we do a practice we are very focused, visualizations are good, and we are meticulous in everything we are doing. Once we get used to what we are doing, we begin to just routinely perform these functions while the mind is off wandering and thinking of other problems we are having or things we want to do, and so forth. He was saying that we must be diligent in always keeping ourselves focused, with the proper intentions, not letting our practice waver and our minds run off into conceptual thoughts. That the diligence we have on day 1 of a practice we should strive to have every day.padma norbu wrote: On either Saturday or Sunday, he said that it was important to have good visualization; this is "quality" practice (his words). Without good visualization, it becomes "quantity." Question: before this, I've always heard that we shouldn't work too hard on visualization in Dzogchen practices because it's not development stage practice. Rather, we should visualize in a basic way and just know it is the situation without any doubt. These two ideas seemed to contradict.
He was saying this because many students accumulate all these practices and go through them one by one, and its never good enough. They want this mantra, that empowerment. They want Black Manjushri when they already have more powerful wrathful mantras and empowerments hes given them. He said they are in conceptual thinking about practices, and they are failing to realize that the essence of them all is Guru Yoga.padma norbu wrote: Today he said, as he always does, that the most important practice is guru yoga. I do not recall his exact words, but he said something to the effect that he would be happy if his students abandoned a lot of other practices and just performed guru yoga.
Conventionally and relatively speaking there are numerous things happening, numerous manifestations, numerous conditions. Ultimately the true nature of all things is the same. So for example, one day you go to work, make some money, come home. The next day you have off, so you relax and do something you enjoy. This is conventional, relative reality. The true nature of all those situations, the ultimate nature of them all, is the same. In the same way you might have a certain set of conditions you want to remove, such as a disease. So you use Dorje Drolo for that. Why do you use Dorje Drolo instead of another practice? Because conventionally thats what works to remove that obstacle. In the same way, just because you recognize that the essential nature of a knife is the same as your car tire, you cannot use a knife to repair a flat tire. So conventionally you use the proper tool. Ultimately you recognize that the practice of Dorje Drolo, powerful as it is in removing obstacles, is an expression and manifestation of the primordial nature. That the true nature of Dorje Drolo and yourself are identical. By recognizing that while you practice Dorje Drolo, you are practicing in the Ati Yoga way.padma norbu wrote:I can never quite figure out what is the point of all these other practices if this is the case. Surely, these practices must be somehow more beneficial to us depending on circumstances, but it seems like it always boils down to 'there is no practice more beneficial than guru yoga.' ...but if this is really accurate, then how is it said Dorje Drolo is so powerful as to either lead to enlightenment or mental instability? If it's that powerful, then it sounds in a way more powerful. Just trying to suss out the details here.
padma norbu wrote: On either Saturday or Sunday, he said that it was important to have good visualization; this is "quality" practice (his words). Without good visualization, it becomes "quantity." Question: before this, I've always heard that we shouldn't work too hard on visualization in Dzogchen practices because it's not development stage practice. Rather, we should visualize in a basic way and just know it is the situation without any doubt. These two ideas seemed to contradict.
padma norbu wrote: Today he said, as he always does, that the most important practice is guru yoga. I do not recall his exact words, but he said something to the effect that he would be happy if his students abandoned a lot of other practices and just performed guru yoga. I can never quite figure out what is the point of all these other practices if this is the case. Surely, these practices must be somehow more beneficial to us depending on circumstances, but it seems like it always boils down to 'there is no practice more beneficial than guru yoga.' ...but if this is really accurate, then how is it said Dorje Drolo is so powerful as to either lead to enlightenment or mental instability? If it's that powerful, then it sounds in a way more powerful. Just trying to suss out the details here.
If you like. Might be tough though. If you have a lot of time then it's better you alternate with song of the vajra.alpha wrote:If one has lots of time does that mean that one should sound A 3 million times a day all day long?
No, you need to practice longde, thogal or yangti for achieving rainbow body.If you are a dzogchen practitioner and you practice guru yoga of white A only as rinpoche sugests will this lead to the ultimate realization that of achieving rainbow body in this lifetime?
alpha wrote:I lost count how many times rinpoche said that if we are dzogchen practitioners we should do guru yoga and be in a state of guru yoga as much as posible.
alpha wrote: If one has lots of time does that mean that one should sound A 3 million times a day all day long?
alpha wrote: And another question.
If you are a dzogchen practitioner and you practice guru yoga of white A only as rinpoche sugests will this lead to the ultimate realization that of achieving rainbow body in this lifetime?