I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

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I Believe in Literal Rebirth

Yes
44
57%
No
7
9%
Indifferent
8
10%
Undecided
11
14%
Meaning of Topic Unclear
7
9%
 
Total votes: 77

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I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby Will » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:14 pm

Let us crunch the numbers on Dhamma Wheel and see where we stand.

Edited to add a 5th option and now folks can change their vote.

Literal rebirth is simply ordinary, life after lifetime rebirth. Some Buddhists make a fetish of moment-to-moment rebirth of thoughts and deny or ignore the truth of many lives of rebirth in samsara. So "literal" means conventional & ordinary, not moment-to-moment.
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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:17 pm

Why ?

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:19 pm

Would you please define in short what exactely you mean by "rebirth"?
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:24 pm

And what purpose your poll has.

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby Annapurna » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:14 pm

Wife:

"Have you been drinking...?"
tries to sniff at husband's breath..

Husband:

"Would you please define :quote: drinking :quote: ? And why would you ask something like this to begin with...?"
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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:56 pm

I find it disappointing that a request for clarity regarding a poll should be likened to having too much to drink.

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby bodom » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:02 pm

Oh geez why does everything have to be so difficult around here. If your not interested in participating in a simple poll then dont. Its not a presidential election. No need to question his motivation or intention. Thats up to him to look at for himself not anyone else.

I voted undecided Will.

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To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
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always centered, the monk
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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby Annapurna » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:23 pm

Quite right Bodom.

It's just a harmless poll, and imo there is no need to clarify, justify or define it, it is already clear.

If you don't like the poll, simply disregard it.
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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:39 pm

But how am I supposed to know how to answer when I don't have a clue what is meant with rebirth? Is meant what I think rebirth is or something else? A simple and short definition in few words would be enough. Otherwise this poll would be absolutely meaningless, if it doesn't matter what the question is. I definitly don't want to go in for any discussion about rebirth. If it's inappropriate to ask, my apologies...

best wishes, acinteyyo
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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:45 pm

And what does " believe " mean in this context ?

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby Annapurna » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:19 pm

Gentlemen I think you are way too humble.

And you are not forced to reply to threads.


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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby lojong1 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:21 pm


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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby bodom » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:33 pm

Last edited by bodom on Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby Annapurna » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:34 pm

Sorry , Lojong, but this is a poll, and not a clarification thread.

The first post clearly says:

Let us crunch the numbers on Dhamma Wheel and see where we stand.

Nothing else.

People who want to discuss and clarify are welcome in the discussion threads.

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:37 pm

Its not at all clear. people are being asked to vote without the terms being clarified. Its null and void.
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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby bodom » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:42 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby bodom » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:49 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:53 pm

Thanks Bodom.

That's the clearest post on rebirth in a long time... :anjali:

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby lojong1 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:54 pm

Okay I'll do the clarifying.
Wiki: "Rebirth in Buddhism is the doctrine that the evolving consciousness (Pali: samvattanika-viññana) or stream of consciousness (Pali: viññana-sotam] upon "the dissolution of the aggregates" (P. khandhas), becomes one of the contributing causes for the arising of a new aggregation.

One reason for confusion is that many people who claim NOT to believe in 'rebirth', would still agree that this here rebirth does happen.
Annapurna, you're not forced to reply to replies.

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Re: I Believe in Literal Rebirth - Poll

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:01 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.


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