Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).

Which Precept is most difficult for you?

1. To abstain from killing living beings
5
6%
2. To abstain from taking what is not given, i.e., stealing
1
1%
3. To abstain from sexual misconduct
7
9%
4. To abstain from false speech, i.e., lies, divisive speech, harsh speech, idle chatter
57
72%
5. To abstain from intoxicants and harmful drugs
9
11%
 
Total votes: 79

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Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby octathlon » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:29 am

My first poll attempt!
Which one is hardest for you to keep?
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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby theravada_guy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:14 am

Definitely the fourth precept. Lying isn't really the issue, it's more a matter of swearing and getting irritated with some people, hence the tone in my voice isn't the lightest. Maybe my issue is more a matter of Right Speech, but I figured this would mean the fourth precept is the most difficult for me. The others aren't really an issue. I mean, I'm sure I accidentally kill insects, but it's never intentional. I've noticed that sometimes I'm about to step on an insect unawares, and I look down, and purposefully move my foot or stop it or something so that I don't kill the innocent insect. I maybe look at eye candy too much, however. Irregardless, I can somewhat control that if I become more aware of what I'm looking at.
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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:08 am

I think it's commonly agreed that right speech is the hardest. Also read this in Acesstoinsight.
http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:59 am

That speech is the hardest to keep.

Please don't ask me where.

I assume where right speech is being discussed.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/search_r ... earch#1058
http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby GrahamR » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:44 am

With metta :bow:
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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby lovemygreys » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:34 pm

I'd have to say the first precept. To begin with, I'm a meat eater. Though we buy most (80%) of our meat from local sources where the animals have good quality of life before they end up in our freezer, that doesn't change the fact I'm responsible for their death. I struggle with this, but don't see it changing any time soon. I don't eat grains, so that already limits my diet. We also feed our dogs meat and bones to supplement their (grain free/meat based) kibble.

I will say that Buddhism is helping me overcome my nearly paralyzing arachnaphobia. I used to keep a can of Raid close at hand and any spider (or other scary looking bug) that ended up in the house or *near* the house was killed. Last night there was a wolf spider by our back door that I was able to let be as I was bringing our dogs in from the yard. This morning he was gone.

Based on the other replies, I think I need to read more on the fourth precept.
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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby octathlon » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:40 pm

I figured speech would win and I thought about dividing it into the different kinds of wrong speech.

Abstaining from harsh speech or idle chatter is mine. I'm good at avoiding lying and "pretty good" at avoiding divisive speech, but that one happens when I'm not paying attention. But I don't really work on avoiding idle chatter. I don't do it much, but I don't actively avoid it.

Killing is my second most difficult. I still kill brown recluse spiders. They are very poisonous and the bites from them can have horrible consequences. I am averse to just putting them outside where they can reproduce and make hundreds more to come right back in the house. Other spiders I can leave alone. Then there's the meat eating ...

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby GrahamR » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:56 pm

With metta :bow:
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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:16 pm

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:35 pm

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby Tex » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:11 pm

Definitely the fourth for me. I don't really have a problem with false speech, but I sometimes speak more harshly than I should. Working on it.
"To reach beyond fear and danger we must sharpen and widen our vision. We have to pierce through the deceptions that lull us into a comfortable complacency, to take a straight look down into the depths of our existence, without turning away uneasily or running after distractions." -- Bhikkhu Bodhi

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby mettafuture » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:33 pm

To abstain from killing. :twisted:

Not people, though. Insects!

I've murdered A LOT of mosquitoes this year. Little blood sucking monsters.

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:16 pm

Lying is my main problem. I lie about as frequently as most people, which is too much.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby Reductor » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:07 pm

I used to think harsh speech was my worst, but have gotten it under control. Now I'd say that idle chatter is where I fail most often.

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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby lovemygreys » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:40 pm

pardon this really basic question: what is considered idle chatter? Is that talking about the weather or what you had for lunch? (ie, stuff that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things)
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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby bodom » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:50 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

Postby lovemygreys » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:56 pm

ooooooooooook, then. I need to change my vote. Idle chatter. It's going to be tough to even just be aware of it, much less cut back. Thanks bodom, I definitely have a bit to read and think about with regards to right speech.
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Re: Which Precept is most difficult for you?

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